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[Pictures of Nursing: the
Zwerdling Postcard Collection]

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[Jeffrey S. Reznick, Ph.D.] Before we proceed, I'd like to mention

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that our next History of Medicine Lecture will be held on Wednesday,

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October 8th here in Lister Hill Auditorium. In recognition of Hispanic Heritage Month,

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our own Michael North, who's head of NLM's Rare books and early manuscript section,

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will be speaking on early Latin American medicine in the NLM's collections.

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As I mentioned, this is a very special occasion as we celebrate the opening of our newest exhibition,

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Pictures of Nursing, this Zwerdling postcard collection at the National Library of Medicine.

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This project encompasses a special display open here at the NLM until next August,

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a future traveling banner exhibition, a rich online presence with education resources,

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and a digital gallery highlighting 585 postcards from NLM Zwerdling collection

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of postcards about nurses and nursing. Before I introduce our speaker,

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I'd like to acknowledge the presence of a few individuals in the audience

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this afternoon. Doctor and Mrs. Lindbergh, welcome. Thank you for making time in your schedules.

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Also would like to welcome Lieutenant Colonel retired Judy Harger and

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Lieutenant Colonel retired Donna Owen. Welcome. Thank you very much for making

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time in your schedules. Tours of Pictures of Nursing will follow this lecture,

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as will a modest reception in the main lobby of the library. This is in the adjacent building.

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For those of you who aren't familiar with our facility, everyone is welcome.

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And if you're not familiar with our facility, please look for our colleagues from

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the division who will will direct you accordingly through the hallways. One additional note please.

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We ask that you not eat or drink here in the auditorium due to the very

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sensitive equipment in front of you. Thanks very much. And when we do enter the question

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and answer period after our lecture, we ask please that you use the microphones in front of you.

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The button will indicate the microphone being on or off. When it's on,

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the little red light will appear. So our speaker for today, Doctor Julia Hallam,

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who studied at the universities of Glasgow and Manchester before receiving

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her doctorate from Kings College, the University of London. Currently she teaches in the

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Department of Communication and Media at the University of Liverpool, a place that by definition has

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to be cooler and less humid than where we are today. [laughter]

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[Julia Hallam:] That's absolutely true, right?

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Doctor Hallam's research interests focus on issues of cultural representation and identity and film,

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television and popular culture, with a particular emphasis in recent

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years on issues of film and place, she has led three arts and Humanities Research Council funded

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city and film related projects, and she's contributed to the development

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of the history detectives gallery at the New Museum of Liverpool. Based on this work,

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she's published widely as an author, co-author,
editor and a co-editor of many books,

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and among these is her monograph entitled Nursing The Image, Media,

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Culture and Professional Identity, published by Rutledge. Doctor Hallam is also a

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contributor to several journals, from the Journal of British Cinema

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and Television to the European Journal of Cultural Studies and the Journal

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of Organizational Change Management. Most recently, she has co-editor of a book

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entitled Toward Spatial Humanities, Historical GIS, and Spatial History, which is.

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Published by University of Indiana Press just this year, Doctor Hallam is the guest curator

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for the wonderful exhibition that we are celebrating today, which is itself largely based on

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Doctor Hallam's work on professional identity and popular culture. Please join me in thanking Doctor Hallam

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for working with us here at the National Library of Medicine and for welcoming her here today

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to offer us her presentation, Pictures of Nursing : the Zwerdling Postcard Collection,

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and introduction to the collection. Thank you very much. Pleasure.

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[applause]

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[Dr. Hallam:] Hello everyone, a very warm welcome. Thank you for coming to this opening

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celebration of an exhibition of postcards of images of nurses collected by Michael Zwerdling over

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many years of effort and acquired by the National Library of Medicine,

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where they're going to be available for you to explore for many years to come.

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Today, I want to explore with you some of the delights in insights this exhibition has to offer us.

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With a particular focus on popular culture and the ways in which, what I call

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"the popular imagination" has visualized nursing and nurses from ancient times.

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Reflecting the breadth of images and the collection and the ways in which particular historical

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events such as epidemics, wars and important milestones in nursing's professional history.

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Are commemorated and celebrated in popular art.

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Before I do that though, I want to thank those who have made this

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wonderful collection available for us. Michael Zwerdling , of course,

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whose vision created it initially. But from my perspective,

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it is Patricia Tuohy and her team in the National Library of Medicine who

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invited me to create the exhibition, and her colleagues Dan [?] and Jiwon Kim

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will offer particular support during our long distance curatorial activities.

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All of this curating activity has been done online and through e-mail,

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and I've had a great experience, the first I've ever worked so extensively

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electronically with this team from the National Library of Medicine. So I do hope that you're very

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proud of the people that work here and the kind of work they're doing for the history of medicine.

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I would also like to thank everyone who's contributed to creating the resource, translators,

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educators and last but not least, of course the designers who've

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realised our vision in creating an exhibition which shows off the

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postcards often deemed unimportant. Ephemeral art objects at their very best. During the talk,

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I will be referring to postcards from the exhibitions throughout,

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alongside some additional material to illustrate particular ideas.

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I'm not attributing academic references to particular ideas as I go along,

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but if anyone would like further information on the research underlying the paper,

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please use the website and check out the bibliography under educational resources.

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And feel free to get in touch and ask me any questions that may come to you after this talk.

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And I've put my email there on the slide,

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so please, please do feel free to contact me. If you have any questions.

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Just going to go live online now and use the exhibition digital

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display just to start us off so you can see what exactly is on offer.

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[screen navigation]

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I'm just going to scroll it down a bit so we get it central right.

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OK, so you can see how we've organized the

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exhibition around a set of particular themes. I'm going to now scroll it,

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which I think is a great feature of the digital galleries.

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So it's going to scroll so you get a sense of these images as I'm talking. The postcard, of course,

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is a very fleeting art form, and one that in the age of electronic communication,

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e-mail, Twitter, selfies, Flicker and Instagram looks ever more anachronistic.

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Who amongst us still sends postcards? Anyone that can't see you now,

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I can see a couple of hands. So I'm cheered by that and I still like to send a postcard.

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But for much of the 20th century, the postcard actually enabled a form

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of personal communication that kept people in touch with each other.

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It was quick and easy to say hello without having to write a full length letter.

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In the US, this funding of postcards can be traced back to 1841,

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but it's not until the 1870s that pictures were used. And it was another 20 years before

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a private companies were allowed to print images on the postcards. Thus,

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it is the late 19th century that sees a huge rise in the popularity

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of sending postcards, with what is often termed the Golden Age of Postcards

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lasting until the 1920s. The collection consists of cards

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from the 1980s through to the 2000s,

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covering over a century of art images and of photographs of

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nurses in almost equal measure. Graphic images with nurses and nursing

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were produced commercially for a range of purposes to advertise commercial

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products and give them healthy credentials. You can see a couple here as we're scrolling along,

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not one there at the moment, but advertising commercial products,

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certainly you can see when we move to the digital gallery that we've sectioned off, in fact,

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let's do that. The ways in which you can explore the exhibition.

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So if you go into browse and the digital gallery.

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And then search refine by topic.

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It gives you first of all showing the

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images from advertising and you can see some of the range of images that were used

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to advertise particular goods and services, most of them of course, health related.

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So the nurse is a symbol of health, good health. And this dates back to

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nurses in ancient times, and I'll say a bit more about that in a minute.

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In selecting the cards then I've wanted to communicate a history of nursing.

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That placed it in the context of rapid changes in society and gave

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birth to modern professional nursing and the gendering of the profession

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in these early years as female. I want foreground the influence of 19th

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century white middle class Christian women. The ways in which they took their

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vocational mission to many corners of the world and the effects of this image

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of modern nursing had on men and on non European women and men in terms of

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their professional status and identity. Today I want to take the opportunity to

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embellish the stories on the banners with a little more historical detail.

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Our time is limited and I've had to be selective and talk about nursing in general,

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giving too little attention to particular areas of nursing such

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as public health nursing, private duty nursing, and particular groups within nursing

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such as African-American and male nurses who have often pioneered,

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changes in the profession. Please forgive me, I hope you will all be inspired to use

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the collection to explore all these areas in more depth using the gallery

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to browse and explore the images.

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I want to turn now to my own involvement in this process.

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My perspective on nursing is unavoidably coloured by my own identity as a white

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British woman from an aspirational working class background who trained

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as a nurse as a teenager in the early

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1970s at Liverpool Royal Infirmary. The training school at the Infirmary

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was the first provincial training school in the United Kingdom.

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It was founded in 1865, two years after St. Thomas' School in London,

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by one of Florence Nightingale's first pupils, Agnes Jones. As you can see,

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Agnes Jones in fact died of typhus at the age of 35,

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demonstrating just how difficult and dangerous it was to become a nurse.

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In the 19th century. Our training as nurses was very traditional.

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We worked long hours on these wards and these wards were actually built

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in the 1890s as a replacement for

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the old infirmary and in part were built as a testament to Agnes Jones

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and her work in establishing the School of Nursing in Liverpool.

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This was female medical ward in my day,

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which is only 1972 believe it or not.

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It's not not back in 1911 and I'm not a wonder of medical science.

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It's in 1911, so in 1972 and we lived in an all female nurses home.

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We were discouraged from marriage until we qualified and studying was undertaken

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in annual study blocks on the wards. The rest of the time we trained

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in practices and procedures under the watchful eyes of the sister tutor,

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sister tutors were the name given

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to our educational supervisors. If you look carefully at the images here,

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you'll notice the work nurses are wearing particular kind of hat and you look at their uniforms,

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well, I thought it would amuse you just to see me in the early 1970s.

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The only difference in the uniform is it's got shorter sleeves and shorter hems.

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Other than that, we were still wearing basically the same uniform that nurses

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were wearing many years previously. And of course, we were very proud of our uniform.

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The history of nursing in nursing schools at this time

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was a history focused on Florence Nightingale and her inspirational,

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vocational approach to nursing.

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But 1970s Britain was in many

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ways in turmoil. And part of the turmoil was being

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caused by a strike within the NHS by nurses and nurses were striking

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for better pay and conditions, and we were thrown into the turmoil of nursing politics,

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debates about vocationalism versus professionalism and influence by

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second wave feminist campaigns for equal rights and status in society.

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We began to question the gendered nature of nursing. As a profession,

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there was one man in my training group and our own lowly position

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in the healthcare hierarchy. Years later, armed with an undergraduate

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degree and offered a PhD bursary to study for my doctorate,

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and I wrote my thesis on image identity and nursing. And it's this book, in fact,

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which led me here today because it was this book that Patty found and

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used as the basis for her invitation. So thank you "book" because "book"

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you brought me here today. And this book's available is ecopy, I should say.

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If anybody wants to look at it or get hold of it, it is available in ecopy from Routledge.

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You don't have to actually buy it anymore.

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OK, today then, we know that the nexus of social class,

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race and gender formations that structure our everyday lives affect

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the life chances of every one of us, which is what calls sociologists call

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our cultural and educational capital. For women and men becoming nurses at

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the beginning of the last century, the structuring forces of

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inequality in society were far more extreme than they are today. In Britain, for example,

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only men with property rights and money could vote, a situation that was addressed here

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by the 15th amendment of 1870, although I think again, it only affected some

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members of the community, and in both countries women were denied

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voting rights and becoming increasingly vocal in their demand for representation.

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So nursing then is very much caught up with this period of change

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at the turn of the 19th century and the beginning of the 29th.

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And if we just look at some of the achievements of nurses during that

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period and what we might think of as

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the first phase of professionalization.

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Mrs. Bedford Fenwick in Britain was advocating the registration of

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trained nurses and legislation that would enshrine nursing's professional

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status in law.  Activities more adhered

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by the Association of Nursing [?]

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formed in 1897 and the Association of Superintendents of Training Schools

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for Nurses and at that time Nurses of the United States and Canada,

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founded in 1893. And I've given you some key names

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of people that were involved in finding these organizations. In the 40 years since the opening

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of the first sorry in the 1st 40 years since the opening of the first

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Nightingale training school in London, modern nursing had made remarkable

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progress worldwide. By the 1900s, nurses were being formally admitted

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to the armed forces in Britain and the US and playing an important

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role in the Red Cross. And there are some very interesting images

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of military nurses in the collection. And I'm pretty sure that these are the earliest ones.

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Led by pioneering women such as Florence Nightingale,

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Dorothea Dix and Jane Delano,

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the idea of nursing as a professional vocation captivated the imaginations

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of young women not only in Britain but around the world.  Prior to

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Knightingales intervention, most nursing care being undertaken by members

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of religious orders such as the Alexian Brothers, yes a group,

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a male nursing order founded in the low countries in the 13th century.

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So we actually have a much more established history of male nurses than we do of female nurses.

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The Sisters of Charity, the other religious order known to look

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after the poor and give them nursing care. The first trace I could find

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of that was around 1600.

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There's a commemorative window to the Sisters of Charity at this particular

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church in Gettysburg because, like other nursing orders,

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they served both sides in the Civil War.

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Male nurses, of course, were found undertaking duties in prisons,

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asylums and the armed forces, but little is known about their early history.

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Ancient Mediterranean classical texts talk of

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care attendance without reference to gender, although the goddess Hygeia,

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daughter of Asclepius, the Doctor of Medicine, is often regarded as a mythological

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forerunner of the female nurse. Because of her associations with physical and

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mental health and the prevention of disease. There's some very interesting collection

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of slides of Hygeia in the collection, and some of these she holds the serpent.

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This one here she's heard holding a serpent,

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and this particular card is for a hygiene

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convention in Vienna around 1900. The second card I think is a

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little bit more ambiguous. Some people interpret this as a lamp,

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and we can see here it looks slightly like a

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magic lamp and actually could be rubbing it.

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But perhaps this is the serpent and certainly this nurse combined this.

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I'm calling her a nurse and I'm calling her a nurse, actually, partly because she's wearing wings.

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She's presented to us as a ministering Angel as well as Hygeia.

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And the card is actually to support a campaign against tuberculosis,

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for which this particular cross becomes

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the symbol of the tuberculosis campaigns.

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Tuberculosis was rife in cities across all

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all industrial cities around the world. It was a major this is one of the kind of

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first World Health Organization problems where there was some coordination around

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the world to try and tackle tuberculosis.

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By the 19th century, many Protestant orders had founded hospitals to care for the sick,

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such as the influential Lutheran Deaconess Institute at Kaiser Worth in Germany,

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where Nightingale and other notable 19th century nurses such as Dorothea

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Dix spent time in training. Although Nightingale is remembered for today

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for her contributions to nurse training, it was, as I'm sure everybody here knows,

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her journey to the Crimea, in 1854, and her attempts to reform the

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care of the injured and improve the sanitary conditions in the British

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Army which made her famous in her day. Nightingale was a prolific letter

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writer and I've just been looking at a couple of letters held here

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in the collection where she wrote letters constantly, the equivalent of an email lobbyist

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I think today.  She lobbied members of Parliament in Britain about the appalling sanitary

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conditions in the British Army and used the power of the press to get public support behind her.

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It was a Times' journalist who first refers to her as her as the lady with the lamp,

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which is of course the other common name given to Florence Nightingale.

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In an article about the Crimean War, an image which captivated Victorian middle

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class readers and led to Nightingale establishing a training school for

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nurses funded by public subscription. She really raised an enormous

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amount of money for the her day. And this next image, I think, is interesting.

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We can see part of the way in which she's envisaged as looking like Hygeia,

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rather than looking like the more traditional of the nurse that we're accompanied, accustomed to.

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And it's accompanied by a poem from Longfellow, which has become a famous

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poem about the joy of service.

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Let's fated in her day than Nightingale, but no less indefatigable in her work to improve the lot

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of soldiers fighting in the American Civil War. Clara Barton

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improved Army supply trains and coordinated volunteers to nurse wounded.

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But perhaps Clara Barton's greatest gift to the American public was her

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efforts to fund the American Red Cross, which she achieved in 1881.

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The International Red Cross had a major influence on attitudes

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towards soldiers injured in battle, so I'm sure many of you here know.

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Inspired by Henry Dunant, a businessman, horrified at the human cost of war that he

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witnessed at the Battle of Solferino in 1859, a committee was set up in Geneva,

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Switzerland, that led to the creation
of the Red Cross in 1863.

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Dunant advocated a network of national relief organizations staffed by trained

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volunteers that were provide neutral and impartial help to those affected

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in times of war.  From the outset influential nurses such as Nightingale

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were instrumental in lobbying for support for the Red Cross. The training of volunteer nurses

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was fundamental to its success, and this cause was avidly taken up by wives and daughters around

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the royal houses of Europe. And I've just selected just a couple

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of the many images of European royalty dressed as nurses at this time. Worse, I think,

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more research in terms of their effect on the Red Cross and the development of the Red Cross.

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I was particularly interested in this one. This is the Czarina of Russia. This one here,

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according to the postcard with her, the princesses, Tatiana and it is Tatiana,

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not Titatio on the postcard. This postcard has actually misspelled her name.

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And Olga.  And these three women worked serving the Red Cross, serving soldiers in war,

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and one of their relatives actually gave up all her possessions and

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entered cloisters to serve as a nurse. Of course, they all lost their heads just

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a couple of years later as part of the Russian Revolution. So some very interesting

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research materials here. I was also particularly interested in the Japans

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involvement in the Red Cross at this time. The Red Cross in Japan was supported

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initially by a count of one of the Japanese provinces who founded a relief organization in 1877,

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and Japan became four members of

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the Red Cross ten years later.

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The idea of nursing as a spiritual patriotic duty had a great resonance

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in Japan and led to the introduction

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of western medicine and arguably the modernization of Japanese society.  And again,

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there's some work now being done in this area, but it's a area that's rich, I think,

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for further research and exploration. By the end of the 19th century,

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modern nursing had become a worldwide movement, and nurses formed the First

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International Association of Health Professions in the world.

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the International Council of Nurses, in 1899.

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So I think these were huge achievements and I think just

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looking at what was achieved in that really short period of 40 years

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by women who were determined to create change

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in society is really quite inspiring.

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OK. So I'm going to move on now to look at what underlies my approach to

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this exhibition and I want to talk about the idea of nursing and it's

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inspirational force at this time because without that inspirational force,

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so much could not have been done.

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You've probably, I think, come across something called The Cult of

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True Womanhood in 19th century society. And at the core of The Cult of True

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Womanhood, as it became known, is an image of femininity based on a

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white middle class idea of respectability,

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which had a huge impact on the way women of

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that era thought about nurses and nursing. This, of course,

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is an idealized notion of femininity. And it germinated in the nexus of social circumstances,

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social relations, and social practices that accompanied

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changing roles of women in the rapidly industrializing societies

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of the US and Europe in particular. Industrialization created a new class

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of wealthy women who were eager to aspire to the condition of ladies,

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a mode of behavior and appearance designed to show off their financial status.

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And define them as better and

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more respectable than those of a lesser economic means and less

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educational and social capital. 19th century popular culture was awash

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with conduct books and magazines. They were like the celebrity journals of the day, if you like.

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Instead of looking at "Hello,"  "People", or "Cosmo", or whatever your favorite

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woman's magazine is, these conduct books were everywhere.

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And ideas around the kind of poetry inspired by ideas about

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womanhood were published. This poem from Coventry Patmore at the

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"The Angel in the House," was published in 1854, and it's actually extremely long.

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It's a short book, so I'm certainly not recommending

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you read it unless you have a fascination for the language in

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which it's worship of a particular kind of femininity is put,

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but I've put it there so you can have a look and get the flavour of it. As you see,

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the housewife here is envisaged as passive, meek, charming, graceful,

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sympathetic, self sacrificing,

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pious and above all morally and spiritually pure.

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She was expected to be a devoted companion and submissive and obedient to her husband.

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I think we all like the early bit, we're maybe not quite so keen these days on the later bit.

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Queen Victoria of England in both a public and private life was

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regarded as a model of this idea, adding to its popularity.  In the US

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this image of white female middle class respectability was known as

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the Cult of True Womanhood and was promoted in magazines and books. And one of the most famous ones

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and my understanding of American popular culture is this one called

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Godey's Magazine and Lady's Book, which was published for a long period

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1830 to 1878 by somebody called

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Louis A. Godey in Philadelphia.

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Of course, this ethos of devotion to

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home and family life was enshrined in ideas about woman's service to society.

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Middle class evangelical Christian women were encouraged to extend the domestic

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virtues of physical and moral cleanliness from the home into the public sphere

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by volunteering to care for the sick in their own homes and offering their

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services as nurses in charitable hospitals and institutions.

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This work becomes known as "Women's Mission."  Nightingale's ideas

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were therefore part of what the British cultural critic Raymond Williams

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refers to as a structure of feeling in society at the time.

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Today what we might think of as a "zeitgeist." It was a particular idea and people

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really latched onto it and Nightingale exploited this feeling in her

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entrepreneurial and fund raising activities. But this new image of modern nursing

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also made visible of binary opposite an image of unreformed private duty nursing

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and an image of the private duty nurse

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as a drunken woman of slack morals.

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A drunken lower class woman we should add. Sairey Gamp,

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characterized by Charles Dickens in his serial Martin Chuzzlewit, is perhaps the best known,

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and this is from an addition of not the cereal, but the novel published rival

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later on in 1867, which I think gives us a wonderful picture of Sairey Gamp, here she is here, see.

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These images appeared in various forms all

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across 19th century British society. Cartoons, Toby Jugs and it's an image that

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represents a fear of disease, contagion and a fear of the knowledge of

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the physical work associated with nursing. In the collection we can see this

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image was also applied to young women. Particularly young lower class women.

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And this is the kind of cartoon image that would have circulated not only on

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postcards but in magazines, newspapers, magazines like Punch in the UK.

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In contrast, the idea of the nurse as a ministering angel emerges from

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the cultural and social milieu of the cult of true womanhood. Nightingale's

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pupils such as Agnes Jones,

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who founded School of Nursing at Liverpool.

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Oh, we've missed a slide, sorry. Trained nurses,

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but also taught Christian morals and values to her pupils and patience.

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By the end of the 19th century, the image of the nurse  the Ministering Angel is found across all manner

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of popular art and entertainment, including stories, images and paintings,

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poems as we've seen, and drawings. Angels become particularly associated

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with nursing on the battlefields. Accomplished complex nexus of imagery.

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That combines Christian symbolism and secular protection and martyrdom,

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apparent in many images of army and Red Cross nurses attending the wounded on

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the battlefields of the First World War. I've just selected 3 images

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here which we haven't gone into depth with on the exhibition, but The Angel of Mons arises from

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a British fable about nurses, sorry about angels on the

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battlefields in France and angels were seen to appear to dying

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soldiers and this term becomes attributed to the nurses that

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are caring for the soldiers. The second card.

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Mary Somers, the Angel of Antwerp. She suffered bayonet injuries as a

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consequence of helping British soldiers to escape during the occupation of Belgium,

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and these were severe injuries. She was really severely injured. Edith Cavell, perhaps will be

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known to some of you. Edith Cavell, British nurse serving in Belgium, was killed by the Germans for

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aiding Allied soldiers and buried with full military honours by the British state when that was later

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on when they managed to find her body and rebury her on British soil.

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I think this is a wonderful image of Edith Cavell. An angel, a martyr.

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Queen Victoria was a patron of the British

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Red Cross and related through intermarriage to royal families throughout Europe.

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The ties between nationalism, the state figurehead of a woman, nursing,

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and the image of a mother are aptly summarized in this quotation

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from Princess Maria from Romania, who, like many female Royals,

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served in the Red Cross in wartime. And I'm actually going to read this one.

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Many a dying soldier whispered to me with his last breath that it was for

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me he was fighting.  For was I not his home, his mother, his belief, his hope?

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So perhaps these sentiments underline

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the many images of the Red Cross as a

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mother that we find in their collection.

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In fact, the Red Cross in its promotional postcards often

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announces itself as the world's greatest mother. So the image of the mother,

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along with the ministering Angel, becomes one of the most common images

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around in these early 19th century,

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early 20th century images of nursing on the postcards.

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So images then of feminine duty,

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self sacrifice and the notion of a spiritual vocational mission

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are harnessed to serve colonial expansion by all Western powers at

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this time.  Before the First World War and arguably what caused the

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First World War was the race to colonize territories in Africa,

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and this led to the militarization of European societies.

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Along with this militarization, Christian missionaries were sent to all parts of the world,

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the missionaries combining teaching of the gospel with the founding of schools, hospitals,

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and the training of nursing. This is 2 images, one of a European group of Belgian

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instructors with students at a school in what is now known as the

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Democratic Republic of the Congo, and the other of a group from what is

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what's actually called the SPCK Foundation, a British Missionary Society whose

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full name there is The Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts

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It's a bit of a mouthful, to say,

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and this mission was very active in

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China and a number of missions led in China.

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The feminine ideal also had implications for the relationship between medicine and nursing.

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19th century ideas of femininity permitted women to be active in the public sphere.

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In areas designated as women's work. The hospital mirrored the organization of the home,

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with the head nurse or matron looking after the housekeeping and ensuring that

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patients were often treated as children --often treated as children,

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were kept fed clean and nursed in a hygienic environment.

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The idea of nursing as a white, middle class feminine idea had implications though for those who

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could no fault of their own meet it. Although in theory anyone could be a nurse,

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in practice if we look at the images of women in need across all countries

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at this time in the collection,

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it becomes very clear that actually it's

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primarily white women that can be nurses. As medicine develops as a profession,

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nurses are regarded as a potential threat to the autonomy of medicine.

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Letters in the American Journal of Medicine, sorry, the Journal of the American Medical Association,

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favorable and supportive of nursing in 1900 show a marked change in attitude towards nursing

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by the 1920s. Doctors become keen to curb the role of the nurse,

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not least because the cost of a private duty nurse was proving

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very expensive for patients and eating into the doctor's fees.

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Nurses were regarded at best as doctors helpers and doctors were keen to ensure

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that the nursing field of operation was strictly restricted to non medical tutors.

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This relationship of subordination to what was predominantly

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at this time male medical power, was reinforced by social conditioning

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and mirrored the views of society more generally.

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In children's books, games, stories and photographs,

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the message is constantly reinforced.

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In children's games, boys play doctors

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or soldiers and girls play nurses. The message is repeated in popular

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entertainment aimed at young people.

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Female stars of stage and screen play

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nurses while men are courageous soldiers

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or handsome doctors.  In films, plays, career books for girls, and romance novels

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of the first half of the 20th century. The idea about nursing is communicated

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across all these entertainment forms is that

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it's a role for well educated white girls.

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I want to move on now then to the 1940s.

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By the 1940s, the heroic work of

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nurses and World War Two has created

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a new awareness about nursing work in

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a society sorry, I've slipped out of.

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I think from my slides there, we're doing well to that point.

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[organizing slide show]

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I've got a slide that's not translated,

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unfortunately, to the slide show,

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which is another slide of military nursing.

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Sorry about that flip, which hasn't transferred. We had some problems with the PowerPoint,

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so I do apologize for this. But by 1940s, the heroic work of nurses

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killed in World War Two has created a new awareness about nursing in society

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and begins to change attitudes amongst the American public and the ways in

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which nursing is valued as a profession. And these changes happened in both the UK and Britain,

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and of course reinforced ideas of nurses of angels in the

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UK the foundation of the National Health Service was founded primarily

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on the provision of nursing labour. Our nurses are still the main employees

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in the British National Health Service.

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In the US, nurses win their battles for commissioned officers status.

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In the US Army Nurse Corps, amid post war struggles for

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equality within the profession itself. As we move into the 1960s,

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television has become the most important source of information

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and entertainment about nursing, and postcards are already declining in use.

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Programs such as Doctor Kildare in the US and Emergency Ward 10

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in Britain perpetuate romantic, sexy stereotypes about nursing. By the 1980s,

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nurses began to lobby for better and more informed representation, with some results.

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In the UK, a male nurse becomes a principal advisor on the BBC Drama Casualty and

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a male nurse plays the leading role. Recruitment and male nurses in the UK rose dramatically,

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over 10% within the first month of the program being broadcast.

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So the power of the media should never be underestimated when it comes

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to thinking about how it alters our perception of our public selves.

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By the 1990s, nurses have made substantial inroads into

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changing public perceptions of their image. Although the postcard is no longer

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a major player it continues to play a role in recruitment campaigns.

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And also in certain kinds of health campaigns.

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Postcard stamps tend to be used along with postcards to commemorate the work of nurses.

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We've got a number in the collection, but I've just included the most recent one here.

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This is a British post office Millennium Tribute to the NHS to the nurses of the NHS,

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which you'll find at the bottom of the slide. Other cards on the slide show that

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the image of nursing has changed considerably in the last 30 years.

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Nurses are no longer regarded just as angels and handmaidens

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today recruitment images and many other images in popular culture.

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I think [?] had a bit of a role here. Shows men and women of all classes

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and races working together as equal

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members of the health care team. Thank you for your attention.

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I hope you've enjoyed the presentation and that I've encouraged you to

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explore this very rich collection. And I'd like to open the floor to questions.

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So perhaps we could have some lights and I can see people's faces. It's very odd speaking to you all

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in the dark. I'm used to seeing people when I speak to them.

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So thank you. Well, thank you.

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[applause]

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[silence]

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[?]

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[Ken Koyle:] Thank you Dr. Hallam. I really enjoyed your presentation

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[Julia Hallam:] Could we add that volume a bit?  [Ken Koyle:] Patrick, have you got OK, there we go. So thank you,

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enjoyed the presentation very much. My question is about the the transition of the,

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the perceptions of nursing you mentioned that with the kind of the the the advent of television.

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The image of the wholesome handmaiden uh kind of devolved

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into in some cases comedic or less

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wholesome perceptions of nursing. Was that just crass commercialism

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or was there something, something in of a deeper social nature

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do you think that was driving that that change and then the the subsequent change where

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the nursing profession gained more respectability in more recent years?

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[Julia Hallam:] I think a lot of it has been crass commercialization actually, particularly in relation to

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some of the films about nursing. If we look at the 1930s, for example,

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we can see there's a whole rash of films that are very complementary about nursing.

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And as we move into the period after the Second World War, these continue with our censorship

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relaxes in general and we enter a more permissive society in the 1960s.

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The images certainly get racier on the innuendo that

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we see on cards from an earlier period becomes more explicit,

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and I think that goes along with a

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general shift in society as a whole towards a greater sexualized image.

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Sexualization of women's image, which certainly becomes more apparent

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in British and American societies in the 50s with the start of Playboy

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and these kind of pinup magazines. Marilyn Monroe Classic pinup

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before she becomes a film star, but never, to my knowledge, a nurse.

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But of course many of these people are continue. This is not an image that's gone away.

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I was looking at an image the other day. I don't know if people here have heard of Kate Moss,

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the supermodel, but if you look online and put Kate Moss

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and Richard Prince into your Google.

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You'll find an image of Kate Moss dressed as a sexy nurse against

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a background of a Richard Prince painting from I think the 1980s,

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where Richard Prince took images from the fronts of novels and created

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this collection of paintings based on

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images of nurses from what were at the time, medical romance books, those sort of things.

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Another huge influence in popular culture along with the kind of

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Doctor Kildare effect was this whole image in romance stories of nurses

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marrying doctors and they were again, it was always their gendered

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relationship and this pattern, I think continues pretty

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much until the 1980s. It was very prevalent in the UK,

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certainly when I was nursing in the 70s. So yeah, I think crass commercialization

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and it's another thing that nurses have had to work very hard and I

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think to some degree being quite successful at beginning to combat and

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challenge by presenting alternative voices,

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making sure they have nurses on to staff TV shows, to advise on medical

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serials and medical programmes. Our nurses, I think have become much more proactive in making

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sure their voice gets out there. But they, you know,

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they need to take that tip I think from their their nursing forbearers

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back in 1900 at the kind of power of the media and what you can do

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if you get the media on your side. Sorry, that was a bit lengthy.

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[laughter]

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[Audience member:] Thank you for coming all the way across town to NIH for this talk.

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You mentioned that the use of postcards has been declining and understandably with

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the electronic media that is that the case. But in the past has it been mainly campaigns

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such as in public health awareness? Sorry, I can't quite hear you.

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For the use of postcards in the past, I guess the use has been tied to

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campaigns of some sort of nature, yeah.

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Has there been any recent sort of movement

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or a sort of a revitalization or has

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that just been following the use of just transitioning to electronic medium,

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the use of a postcard with nursing as a focus? Has that just kind of is that

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continuing to be so?

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[Julia Hallam:] I think others here who've been involved in more recent campaigns

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would know more about that than I do. But I do think there's much more

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emphasis today on the medical team so that they're much less likely to

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focus on a particular individual. And of course,

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the changes in uniform where in a lot of general publicity people would just

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wear scrubs and they they're a medical, medical personnel, I think is much more a term

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that you're likely to see. In those sort of campaign images, a bit like the one I showed

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of the British NHS, you wouldn't really know around the that trolley who's who. But you know,

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some of them are nurses and some of them are going to be doctors and some

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of them are going to be perhaps other professional members of the team as well.

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Does that, yeah, yeah.

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[Audience member:] I was interested in your comment about the NHS and the role of nurses

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in the NHS and I was wondering if you could expand on that a little.

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[Julia Hallam:] And the NHS, when it was formed in the post war period in Britain,

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was primarily formed because a group of young doctors,

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junior doctors as we call them in the UK, were in favour of a system. They were all quite liberal

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rather than left wing.  And the NHS was of course a liberal manifesto.

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It was never a socialist manifesto. It was brought in by a liberal, it was imagined

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initially by a liberal government and it was brought in by the

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labor government and so that the junior doctors supported this. But there was quite a battle about

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the roles in the NHS and who would do what and who would be what.

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And the NHS did agree in the end to employ doctors.

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But of course doctors are not the biggest employment group within the NHS.

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There was a huge staff in municipal and charitable hospitals across the

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UK that were already, as it were, in place who just became absorbed into the NHS.

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But in the reality, looking back at history, for a lot of people working in

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the hospitals and in the kind of associated district nursing services, those sorts of things,

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very little actually changed apart from the fact that they discovered

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that health was an unending need and so they employed more and more nurses.

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Because they're cheaper than doctors to try and meet this need. And the role of the nurse then

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expanded in Britain under the NHS in a way that perhaps it hasn't done in other countries,

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but I wouldn't like to be too generalised on that. Does that give you sufficient?

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[Audience member:] It's very helpful just a follow on questions. So do you have nurse practitioners as

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well as registered nurses in the UK?

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--Yeah.  -- And I just to. Expand a little bit,

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the focus on health and the outcomes with the NHS seem to be better than

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most other countries and so I'm curious about your thoughts of the

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role of nurses in those outcomes?

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[Julia Hallam:] Nurses within the NHS today perform a

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whole range of expert nurse functions

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or nurse practitioner functions which

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some of which are diagnostic so you can, but if you are that kind of person

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you're what's called an expert nurse and other nurses are practitioners in their own right.

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We have teams and nurses now attached to general practice,

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and those practice nurses actually give and monitor,

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give injections to a whole range of minor medical activities.

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And nurses have been responsible as well for NHS Direct. But maybe we could talk a

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bit more about that later. I know the director had a

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question he wanted to ask me so,

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but we could talk at the reception.

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[low audio] [Donald Lindberg:] Quiet and very trivial.

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I heard in the UK, did the early airplane people claim that some of the folks on

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the airplane were nurses? [?]. Passengers?

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[Julia Hallam:] Umm, now you've got me trivial, but I'm not absolutely sure.

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I know that many of the people that are on early airlines,

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there was a lot of overlap in the role and those of us that aspired

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to be nurses sometimes also thought we could easily be air hostesses.

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And so there was a a good chance, and I'm talking 70s before air traffic was popular

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to the extent it is today.  Though, you had a much better chance of becoming an air hostess if you

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had a nursing qualification. That was absolutely true. And and so some of us had that little notion,

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ohh, when we qualify, you know, we'll become Flyers. So you're not wrong.

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But it wasn't a specific requirement. It wasn't one of those kind of spelt out requirements,

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but it was definitely something that helped you get the job at a time when

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the job was much scarcer than today. [Donald Lindberg:] Advertising. [low audio level]

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[Milton Corn, MD:] As this evolution occurred in the one you're described here today,

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what were the major changes in the education and training of nurses period? [low audio]

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[Julia Hallam:] I think the major changes again, I'm going to have to talk from a UK perspective here because I'm

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not totally familiar with the US context.

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I don't think the major changes

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came in until it was decided

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probably about 1990. I'm not, don't quote me on the dates here

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because I'm not 100% sure and I haven't looked at this for a while,

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but the major change would be the introduction of a more college based

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education and that happened I think. No, I'm wrong. It would have been in the probably early 80s.

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I think I was one of the last groups of people to go through a

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nursing education that was primarily based in practice and based on the wards and not in a college.

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And then after that nursing degree started to become popular and my sister, for example,

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did a combined practice nursing degree and spent two years training in a hospital,

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two years with the university. Doing a degree.

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But these were not integrated courses. Integrated college courses tended

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to focus more more time in college,

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less time on the wards and then slowly we move towards something called

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Project 2000.  And Project 2000 aimed

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to have nursing education become

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completely university based and and now we've just entered that phase I think,

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where nursing for the first time is a completely university based

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profession so you won't be able to practice as a nurse from about

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now unless you have a degree. But again my dates on that are not not 100% secure.

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Sorry, I'm going to connect you. I can't quite.

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[Audience member:] [low audio] Yeah, I do. As a comparison

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[Lieutenant Colonel retired Judy Harger:] Yeah, I do. As a comparison

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between the UK and US, I first went to nursing school at the University of San Francisco.

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Now mind you, it was a Mercy Hospital nurse based program.

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Diploma program. They started their

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program for the baccalaureate in 1958. So when I got there into 1960,

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you had the entire diploma program from the nursing aspect, from the Mercy Nuns,

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and then they dumped the Jesuit university education on top of it.

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So we were in the hospital like 5:30 in the morning doing the Mercy nun,

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end of the diploma, and we were in school all the rest of the week.

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And then I ended up in 1964, so a bit ahead of you, in that.

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OK, I'm I'm an old nurse.

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I'll go back to my OK. But it sounds like it was a bit earlier in the university system for the US.

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[Julia Hallam:] I think the Diploma program preceded

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the degree program and was taken up by certain universities across the UK.

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But it wasn't everywhere. And again it was only those privileged

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kind of universities, probably like kings, that had nursing traditions.

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Edinburgh, I think was another one, Manchester, another one that actually began

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that program and it was quite slow I think to develop and catch on and

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again it was seen as something that you wouldn't really do or know about.

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It wasn't pushed from school to my knowledge or given that kind of,

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but whereas in the US it was quite different. I think it was introduced much earlier

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and there was an expectation and it was introduced as a science subject

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rather than a social science subject, which again is a big difference between

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the way it was introduced into universities I think.

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[LTC (Ret) Judy Harger:] We were talking about the cultural,

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cultural view of nursing. Just as an aside on that, there were 200 nurses at the University

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of San Francisco in a male school, which was male at the time. Entirely male. --Yeah.

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--So it where did the dating center come straight down to the nursing program

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where we lived in nurses residence halls. You know, it was, it was quite interesting and fits a

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lot of what you were saying about the UK and the perspective of nursing and, you know,

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that's where the best girls were kind of thing.

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[laughter]

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[Dr. Reznick:] Doctor Hallam, thank you very, very much.

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On behalf of the NLM, we really appreciate all that you've done, especially your curation

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of our great exhibition. I'd like to invite all of you to join

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us for a modest reception in the main lobby. Look for our colleague Jeremy

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Withnell and just outside the doors here and he'll guide you.

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If you're not familiar with the building, doctor Helen, thank you very much.

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Thank you everybody for coming.

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[applause]
