WW g^gV^vVV.^V. , (LAM -W ^VI A,VA v*AvV*^- ^ % v • ' V vvj t- ov„ ,vJ:..^ WJ. a*- v ^v^/-n * 'i ' v .V'^^uSr ■ ,\AAMVVUlA ^ v< b A3- w- -oQtXQtxA A^Ml - f.^v; -a; • a-x-^-v ;v^/.v £ ^ -^ , . - . -^ vva v/, jyyj ~ V « v"" "vw v v v A^;?!&; ^v/VuV' W V HbH BfliH@^^nQr s«$.i!s>- Friendly Debate^* A DIALOGUE Between RUSTIC US -ivi ACADEMICUS \ ? About the late Petfotmance ■JCJDEMICl$8& -----;_____________E/lo.^ Scandal, tlte Glory of tTie Englifli Nation, /^r/ V A Friendly Debatel'jkc, H Riift* *W" "W Arkye,Mr.'De?t/wiw,aWordwithyo«i l Ac. With iwe>i$ir; Good now, what Bufinefs can you have with vie? Do y$u*uderjland Latin ? ? Huit. No Sir, 1 intend to talk in EngUfh, -broad Euglifh* ■""'£" r? Ac. Well, What's your Willi jR«j?.v I*w«uld debate, with you about the Paiiiphlet you have lately pnblifli'd by way off Dialogue, fray .Sir, What did youiitsmibyit? t omlli A U. Ac. / intended :q let -you &?»•» that Ikiw taManof Letters, ctnd ibat .not only Sawny, but all the illiterate Scribblers of the «*{ the Leather ^oji\ M?n ) art proud and vain Fellows, ;*nd that 'tis not poiRble for them opce in their. Lives.to fpeak a Word of Truth. (J Xusl. A brave DeGgn 'Dtmicusl But was.there «a other Maggot hi your addle Pate that gave you thi Itch ofiScribMivgii •.-.••!.* T , , ,. , 'Ac., Ton re- too. faiicy Sir, I hope you don t think, rv take tb&'fimc Liberty witjj\me as I do vtiA Sawny and Xtufiduiigus : this is hidly to injfude-the I'wvince tf ano- ther. A. i ?". '.:h;.i.: .. „ M kuH. Right Brother! It is indeed yout Province to ea^imniate. Pray aalwer my Queftion, and keep four Province: I'll endeavour to treat you *>th as rriuch Modeftyasthe Nature of the Caufe will bear, Ac, Why, I intended to acquaint »W the Cober Peo- ple in the Country, thaf Sawny and his Bloody Brothel and conftaut Friend,MmdmgXt*and their Accoiftplices, defign'd to ridicule the Principal Minifters of Religion in the Town, and render their Miniftry odious to the Peoplev. They are irreverfibly refolv'd to deftroy the Ke4igiQnof thaCoubtry ; and the.jTioft effe all J to be devoted to Truth and Love, are fo far fro m ha- r ving Skill or Will to heal us, that they are the Men that * caufe the Wound,, and keep it o/>rn,ai)d are greater hiiv- 4 derers pf our Concord and Peace, than Piinces, Lords,, / or any Seculars: And what one judgcth the. certain • Caut'e of the Worlds Divifions, another as confidently * judgeth the only way to heal them: And both rides » confefs while they lay it on each other, that it is th* f Clergy that are the deadlieft Enemies of Peace.. It is » not the noife of Drums and Trumpets, which tells afi t Army the Caufesof the War .•■ The Mafters of the War • can chute their own Trumpeters, and talk loudeft of f that which they Would have divert men from the tiue 1 Caufe. I might likewileaddtheOpinionof Mr.D<7/7/ff,formerly Miniilerofthe Gofpel in the Reformed Church at Paris, >in his Treat iff concerning the right lift of the bathers* Page i$$. which may alio ihew you, that an AC AD fi- M JC AL Education is ofisu 1q& oil \hqU .w.ho: arc fa- .vour'd with it. I (4 J * f eonfefti the opinions of particularJPerfons are ^ery * different one from the other; and the Knowledge of • fome of them is very mean, and fometimes alfo is none « at all. But yet poflibly this Reafonmay chance to ex- * elude even a good part of the Clergy alfo, from the Ay,* ' thority which they lay claim to in this particular; be- * ing it cannot be denied, but that both IGNORANCE* 4 8c MALICE have oftentimes as great a mare h«e, pro.; * portionably, as they have among the very People it * felf. Who fees not, that, if we rauft have regard to 4 to the Capacity of men, there are fometimes found, ' even amoiig the plain ordinary fort of Christians in a ' Church, thofe that are more considerable, both for • ' their Learning and Piety, than the Pallors themielves*? , 4 One of thofe Fathers, of whom we now difcourfe, hath ' informed us, That many times the Clergy have erred, the 4 Bifbop hath wavered in his Opinion, the rich Men have * adhered in their judgment to the Earthly Princes of this '. * World; mean while the People alone prejerved the Faith 'entire. Seeing therefore that it may fometimes had.. 4 pen, and that it hath alfo many times happened, that * the Clergy have held Erroneous Opinions, while Che * Penpleoaly held the True, it is very evident, in my * Judgment, that the Opinion of the People in theft • cafes ought not wholly to be negle&ed. Ac, What afbatnelefs Wretch are you Rufticus, to quote theft Paff.igts, which only relate to the Clergy of England < And France, when you know in your Confcience, that Bo- Bon can boaft of almoft an unparallel'd Happinefs in their Minifters: Some of us have travell'd to other arid divers Parts of the World, ad we fincerely profefs, we never faw the Place that excelled Bofion in this Re- fpedt. Ruft. Vxithtt'Deniicus, ftay till you have taketvyour intended Voyage to Holland, before you talk of your . Travels; I am perfwaded you have feen more Ships huilt than ever yotUail'd in. However, ..you mull certainly Know, that Mr. Baxter was a Diffenter from the Church of (?) t>f.England, ( which I preTume will give Credit,to hU Affertion, ) and he makes no Diftinftion hetween their Clergy and thofe of his own Perfwafion : And whether Jou will allow it or no, there are as famous Men fojr iiery and Learning, amortg the Diflentirig Clergy ijj England, as any among our felves. But pray Sir, tell me who you take to be the Principal Minifters of Religion in New-England ? Ac. Who! Dr. Increafe Mather and his Son. ' t Ruft. I thought fo! But wherein do they excell theit *ftighbours ? * Ae. Vll tell you whereiW. The old Gentleman for above tThreefcore Years has preached the Gofpel, and beeri § ready and juftly adihir'd: And has alfb had great fteem in the Renowned Church of Scotland: He has been received With great Ijtefpett in the Courts and ve- ry Olofets of Crowned Heads. The young Gentleman has been above Forty Years a celebrated Preacher, and has been fo acknowledged- by Foreign Univerfties, as 'no A- mtrjc'an ever ^as TwftJre him, and juftly merited the Honour of betag a Member of the ROYAL SO- CIETY: He has a GREAT NAME in diftant Lands ; and foreign Countries have a great Veneration for him. • ■ i* *■» •■mi;'- • Ruft. Right agen, *Demicus, he has certainlya great Name abroad for Something. Tho* many Authors men- tion h'utivtitYi great VentTatl6nfttt&\ amnoWconverfing with an Academical Brother,' what Mr. Otdmlxon fays in his H'tftory of the Britifi Colonies,$age-io8>, ^09, is rftoft to my prei'ent Purpofe. ' 4 The Htilbry t>f New~B*gliind written by Cotton Ma* ' ther, a Man famous in his Country, as appears by the * barbarous Rhimes before it in Praife of the Author, is *a fuffieienr Proof, that a Man may have read hundreds * of Latin Authors, and be qualify-'d to conftrue thern^ 1 may have fpent his Youth i 1 a Colledge, and beared « up in Outlet.*-',' yet'have neJther Judgment to know how «to make>a |>iiftjtwrfe rMrfptaitdiis, nor Eloquence to ex- »frets'hie Sewiiwtou l*o tiwth«y ia*j» p4eafe -and per- T *fv»*4e% • fwade, the eafieft way to Conviftion ; for of all the * Books that ever came from the Prefs with the venera* 4 ble Title of a Hiftory, 'tis impofiible to fhew one * that is fo confus'd in the Form, fo trivial in the Mat- * ter, and fo faulty in the Expreflioo, fo cramm'd with •Punns, Anagrams, Acrofticksy Miracles and Prodigie^" * that it rather refembles School Boys Exercifes Forty • Years ago, and Romijb Legends, than the Collections of • an Hiftorian bred up in a Proteftant Academy. * The Reader will excufe this Digreffion which hardly Jean be cali'd fo properly, it ferving to give the Reader ■ an Idea of the Ufe the New-England Men make of •.their Univerfity, and to fhew how far an Humour or 4 Affectation may prevail to the Prejudice of the moft • ufeful and reafonable things. 4 That Hiftory of Cotton Mather's is enough to give * one a Surfeit of Letters, if all the* Schools in the World 4 were like Harvard-Colledge. —— 4 This is not faid to reflect on the Defign of their Uni' 4 Vfrfity, but if pofjible to make them fee their Erjor in 4 the Execution; of it, that they may leave off mean Canr, * which was in Fafluon a hnndred years ago, add the * Purity of Language to that of Do&rine, and let tht 'Scoffersfee that Religion needs no little Shifts and • Arts to fupportits ftdf, and that the Force and Harm* * ny of the Divine Truths are never fo convincing and- r* moving on reafonable Souls, as when they aje esprefs'd 4 in Ekgapt and apt Phrafes, free ffom the Poverty and 1 Tautology of the prefent New-England JDklion ; let • their own Dr. Bates inftructthem better in his bell 4 Pieces, if they think t-hemfelves too pious tp learn 4 of our Tillotfon and Calamy. Ac. Then yotf-dont like bis whining Preaching', yon cant profit by his Cfltltiilg•■ Mi nifty I'll v/artanf.yt. > Ruft. I like him heft in the Pulpit Mr. 'Dtnucus, and believe ir would be much, for -th* Peace of the Towa' and. Country, if he could for ever be ponfiifd to it, But •»*^ob6^y,Uto theiPiihftpour.of J'ome ^of. our Clergy, ?h*tf|hey dvfplfe" their Brethren cf meaner .Talents, vhofe (7) whofe Labours God has very remarkably blefsM to the Converfion of great Numbers of their Hearers, * Ac I fee you can't help difcovering your Malice againU the yottng Doctor \ I doubt there is much of the J3e- vil in theBufinefs: Rut I have known aMan/.M/'* cus, that could notboaft of more malice and fpite agajnffc this Gentleman than your felf; but When he lay upon his Death-Bed, his ghaftly Countenance, and rolling Eye* fpoke the Horror of his Confcience; and he exprefled an intolerable Urteafinefs, and moft paflionately defired to fpeak with the j>OCT0R : when the DOCTOfc. came, he declared with all the regret imaginable that he had abufed him, and fpoke, moft maficjouily of him, anti he ardently implied/ his Pardon; Adding that, he had no other reafon» out Becaufc be Jaw he did fo much Good,——- ' - j Ruft. My Friend, you muft pardop me, if I call this a holy Cheat, and a facred*praud, advanc'd on purpose for a Scarecrow. "You make no Diftinction between oppofing lis private Opivion, and malicioufty abufing Vim ftcaufe he does fo much Good. I own his doing foinuch Good, and yetf-jh mu'ch 'Mifchief,-hzs made him famous all ov^rohe World,, butthe-Good he jd*es, will not exeqpf nim "frofe a tyegroof for the Ifcifchief he is guilty of. Pray 'Demicus, forbear to proftitute Religi- on to fuch vile.Putpofes.«-< " . ,■ ^ i '• Ac, Will, have you any thing further to offer? (I giuft go to my Study. ) Tou .have [aid nothing a/Sawny'a «o* tonons Lying. ■ n . f Ruft. I fuppofe Sawny will aufwer |br hiiTjfelf :^My Bull n els' is to prove that your fulfbme Commendations of the young Poitor are but an Abufe on him. .And I cannot but pity fojne other Gentlemen whoparticularly come under the Laft of yourPanegyricks : They muft be ftianggly in Love w^b Ptajfe, if they can take it ^t the Hands Of fuch in awkward Panegyrift as you appear to be in your Friendly Dtbatti * But, Prithee Mr. 'Demicus, ( before you go. toy out $tndy\-) s&\\ me why y"ou bring In •tJlyndw'fvs upOraJding Sawny, becaufe he did not de- dicate his Book to th: worthy Select Men 1 Ac m Ac. Beeaufe they verc faucy jn citing-^he. Miniitrtat gppear before them, and examining them about InocuUtt. qn, and fothid&ing them to encourage the Country PetpU to contf into Town to be inp.c.ulated* jAnd. t thougmttt^ a pretty good Opportunity to be revenged on item fa their Siucinefs, by reprefenting item' as Patrons of Ab^. lies on the Minifters and facred Scriptures. I hope out Miniftcr* will Hir up all their Friends to get in better fy 7e#'-Men'next Monday : I am certain Dr. Mather''has do$ Ins Duty in the Afair; His Paftoral Vifits have ( upot this Account )been more painfully and faithfully manag'j of late than ever'they neip before, and I hope they »/j| have the depr'd Effeft. v I RuU. Weil ^Demicus, t'l% leave; you to your felfjbj the pre'fent, wifhing you good Succefs in your Studies^ And in your next Heroic Epiftleto Dr. Boylftonjxivm .don't forget to concludet A Short Answer to a foolish Pamphlet, Ea- titled Several Arguments Proving, that Inocul* .tjqdxiffiPt contained., in ibi Lavj^j physick nel ■-■: tbtt .. :i; a .. r jher.lfdthrai bflHVtNE. and therefore mhw hit.[f by JblVn Williams a Tahaconist. * •■ -MiWWr, ..irw ;:\7*OU» Weighty Syllogisms' are fo vastly ■ X Riditilo'us, and flonsensicaUjr fbolish » X>Dok as little of your ;©killiii. Divinity, as Well u Physick, and Logiek.. fo that yo«i may r ightlf be Ailed, Omnium Horarum Jim > « : ^ I have now just finished an ;Aflfwer to y To Anfwer thofe above your Rank >^" i i,;With your Brave ArgumNmts,. which Sta4 [ v Of What, I know not, but they are i Too tfad for any, butt JaJutStajr. i -It Yes, for a Williaius they will do* Ay, and too Good for W iUiams too* E'en Lett 'em go, They'i So at Jiaft, For Williams's Virginia best. - Witty He will be if He can* r »«• : ■. The Duee is in the foolish Mam He Underftands both Sympathy, Jpfr Physical Antipathy. *- Theif A P P E N D tX ft There are no otfyer. Parts but thole . In fttyfic. Sure Great Williams knows. : Of Logic, and Philosophy, I am a Master, Says Brave He. And fothou art, but without Joke, lie Stand by you, and fee your Numbskull broke. Our Minifters as all agree, V You've taught them their Divinity: Or else you think so, that's as Good j As if you had, Ah Head of Wood, Tis Brave for one, who's Antitype Of Fuel for Tobacco Pipe* If Hellebore wont Cleanse your Bratn^ It won't, I'm Sure, to try, is vain; '-■ -\ Then Reap the Fruit of thy Past Pain And with Tobacco Cleanfe thy Muddy Brain. POSTSCRIPT. I confefs My Poetry is not very even 4>ut it will do for such an unequality, as may Easily Ifte found in your Heavy Moulded Lines, Con- fider they are by one, who is TOBACCO PROQF,, Cambridge. Dec- 19. 1711. E Musseo Meo* FINIS. The Author of this Learned Piece isone Tobaeco'Vroof, a Son of Harvard, who now makes no fundi Figure at CoUedge, and has lately bUfs'd the *hole Country with a uiatchlefs and fuperlatively excellent Letter irr the Bofton Gazette: And tho'the Style of this vDSfcburle mix ntiihti becali'd the Svkhme, ths- Mtan,QX theIndtf- •v . fertr.t, ri JptPEN< ferent. Vet we prefume the Mundungian ^dfiguaPt'ciJi afford'UiaName'forit; ( tho'preftft'aly tfie WwdrJT4f. rebel in the K Ve propofe, that at ieaft Tjvo Thirds of the Sons of Harvard, who write in this Stile, may he doom'd-to the Cellarof Mundungus, to perfeft ttfanfelves in his Language.' We likevtfl'e propijlfe, that inftead o£ fcattering Scraps of Latin and Gree&ia their Writings, (like .thftjWf ather ia an Almanack,) they ufe now agdiheri a Phrafe in \h* Mundungian Language the very Sound1 of Which is rhetorical and perfwaJive,,uA will add a peculiar Beauty to their Performances. And fince all illiterate Men areforbid ( by the Learned) to fpeak i* Pubjick t JJfemblics, we move, that ac all Town-Meetingt, and A(Toc«|tion$ of the People, a Mun- dungian SchoRar may be the Prolocutor : And, that - he may not%#loft la the Crowd, wepropofe, that hh:He>d may be neatly hound with a Rotl at Tobacco; and that hisNefJte^th^epadeof WILLIAMS'* bed Virgiw in tie Leaf v i Hutlief,' This excellent language will be of great TJfi to our Academical Elegiac Poets, who io all their Fune. ral Elegies ( or liars dkopt at Funerals ) burlefque the Bfeajft Vnhf Vopblej Rbimes, and reader the Ufe of fall chiming Moriofallables f]tf$ettyr ufelefs. The follow, ing Lines'may ferve to difcover the Excellency of tht M\(it9unfian Language in this particular. ;>, ., On the Death tf a Young Schollar. " *ri£}K «'w M* Wi*> and pcmdrouswas /j/'xNoleft As learn d a touth as e'er was b%ed at Col eg. On a "Virtuous Woman. 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