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			<p begin="00:00:14.240" end="00:00:17.040" style="1">a United States Army Medical Department continuing </p>
			<p begin="00:00:17.040" end="00:00:18.620" style="1">education program,</p>
			<p begin="00:00:19.250" end="00:00:21.650" style="1">effectiveness of radiotherapy </p>
			<p begin="00:00:22.550" end="00:00:23.820" style="1">with jimmy a light.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:23.820" end="00:00:24.770" style="1">Lieutenant Colonel,</p>
			<p begin="00:00:24.770" end="00:00:27.440" style="1">United States Army Medical Corps Assistant </p>
			<p begin="00:00:27.440" end="00:00:29.140" style="1">chief organ transplant service,</p>
			<p begin="00:00:29.140" end="00:00:31.390" style="1">walter reed Army Medical center Washington D.C.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:33.670" end="00:00:36.570" style="1">Based on based on work by hume and several of his </p>
			<p begin="00:00:36.570" end="00:00:38.580" style="1">colleagues at the Medical College of Virginia.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:38.580" end="00:00:40.210" style="1">In the middle and late 60s.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:40.210" end="00:00:43.000" style="1">Many transplant centers around the world have used </p>
			<p begin="00:00:43.020" end="00:00:45.510" style="1">a radiation therapy in one form or another </p>
			<p begin="00:00:46.600" end="00:00:49.510" style="1">as an adjunctive measure in the treatment of ala graft </p>
			<p begin="00:00:49.510" end="00:00:50.060" style="1">rejection.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:50.850" end="00:00:53.400" style="1">I think we&apos;ve had the impression for some time that </p>
			<p begin="00:00:53.400" end="00:00:55.720" style="1">radiation therapy has been effective in </p>
			<p begin="00:00:55.730" end="00:00:58.730" style="1">helping to reverse acute rejection episodes </p>
			<p begin="00:00:58.730" end="00:01:01.440" style="1">that have not resolved with standards federal pulse </p>
			<p begin="00:01:01.440" end="00:01:02.130" style="1">therapy.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:02.170" end="00:01:04.840" style="1">But this kind of impression is almost impossible to </p>
			<p begin="00:01:04.840" end="00:01:07.230" style="1">document in any objective manner.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:07.910" end="00:01:10.720" style="1">And there&apos;s a despite </p>
			<p begin="00:01:10.730" end="00:01:13.560" style="1">your own impressions and other scattered reports </p>
			<p begin="00:01:13.560" end="00:01:15.360" style="1">of which you have not been very many.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:16.530" end="00:01:19.360" style="1">Now the role of radiation therapy and </p>
			<p begin="00:01:19.360" end="00:01:22.110" style="1">reversing acute rejection then I don&apos;t particularly want to </p>
			<p begin="00:01:22.110" end="00:01:23.150" style="1">address at all.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:23.190" end="00:01:26.020" style="1">But the question I do want to specifically address is whether a </p>
			<p begin="00:01:26.020" end="00:01:28.730" style="1">graft or radiation in the immediate post transplant </p>
			<p begin="00:01:28.740" end="00:01:31.620" style="1">period is beneficial because this I think </p>
			<p begin="00:01:31.620" end="00:01:34.490" style="1">this has real importance because if it is effective then all </p>
			<p begin="00:01:34.490" end="00:01:37.240" style="1">patients who are subject to Allah graft </p>
			<p begin="00:01:37.240" end="00:01:40.070" style="1">rejection are at risk for rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:01:40.070" end="00:01:42.540" style="1">namely hap low non identical </p>
			<p begin="00:01:42.550" end="00:01:44.400" style="1">uh H.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:44.400" end="00:01:44.620" style="1">L.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:44.620" end="00:01:47.510" style="1">A non identical and cadaver transplants should probably </p>
			<p begin="00:01:47.510" end="00:01:50.200" style="1">all be irradiated in the post transplant period.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:50.210" end="00:01:53.150" style="1">But if in fact it doesn&apos;t really help then </p>
			<p begin="00:01:53.150" end="00:01:56.040" style="1">the 600 to 900 hours that are used in that time </p>
			<p begin="00:01:56.250" end="00:01:58.970" style="1">are wasted If in fact it might be </p>
			<p begin="00:01:58.970" end="00:02:01.950" style="1">useful later on to help reverse acute rejection episodes.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:01.950" end="00:02:04.630" style="1">To say nothing of the any other side effects that might </p>
			<p begin="00:02:04.630" end="00:02:07.520" style="1">occur in the future years on the </p>
			<p begin="00:02:07.520" end="00:02:08.110" style="1">ovary,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:08.110" end="00:02:11.060" style="1">or perhaps on the testes from the scatter.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:11.130" end="00:02:14.060" style="1">So from the beginning of our program,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:14.060" end="00:02:14.560" style="1">again,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:14.560" end="00:02:16.340" style="1">dating back to 1970 </p>
			<p begin="00:02:17.420" end="00:02:20.090" style="1">we&apos;ve administered 100 and 50 are on alternate </p>
			<p begin="00:02:20.090" end="00:02:20.440" style="1">days,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:20.440" end="00:02:21.790" style="1">beginning on the first or second,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:21.790" end="00:02:22.810" style="1">post transplant date.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:22.810" end="00:02:25.710" style="1">All cadaver recipients total </p>
			<p begin="00:02:25.710" end="00:02:28.400" style="1">dose was 609 100 are based on </p>
			<p begin="00:02:28.400" end="00:02:29.000" style="1">again,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:29.010" end="00:02:30.010" style="1">hume&apos;s.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:30.020" end="00:02:33.010" style="1">Uh And in several of his colleagues work </p>
			<p begin="00:02:33.010" end="00:02:34.950" style="1">in animals in the sixties.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:35.060" end="00:02:36.370" style="1">Two years ago,</p>
			<p begin="00:02:36.370" end="00:02:39.120" style="1">we looked at our series of 18 living </p>
			<p begin="00:02:39.120" end="00:02:42.020" style="1">related half low mismatched transplants </p>
			<p begin="00:02:42.510" end="00:02:45.250" style="1">and found that almost all these patients required a radiation </p>
			<p begin="00:02:45.250" end="00:02:48.080" style="1">therapy sometime in the first one or two months after </p>
			<p begin="00:02:48.080" end="00:02:51.020" style="1">transplant for either recurrent acute rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:02:51.020" end="00:02:53.640" style="1">episodes or for rejection episodes that failed to </p>
			<p begin="00:02:53.640" end="00:02:56.640" style="1">resolve with standard pulse therapy and in </p>
			<p begin="00:02:56.640" end="00:02:59.020" style="1">the slides that you&apos;ll see where I&apos;m calling this </p>
			<p begin="00:02:59.030" end="00:03:01.980" style="1">therapeutic radiation At this </p>
			<p begin="00:03:01.980" end="00:03:02.730" style="1">time.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:02.740" end="00:03:02.990" style="1">Then,</p>
			<p begin="00:03:02.990" end="00:03:03.950" style="1">two years ago,</p>
			<p begin="00:03:03.950" end="00:03:06.840" style="1">I elected to begin routine postoperative radiation </p>
			<p begin="00:03:06.840" end="00:03:09.680" style="1">therapy just as we were doing for the cadavers for </p>
			<p begin="00:03:09.680" end="00:03:11.830" style="1">all these haplotype mismatch patients,</p>
			<p begin="00:03:11.890" end="00:03:14.760" style="1">we gave them the same treatment and we subsequently </p>
			<p begin="00:03:14.760" end="00:03:16.890" style="1">treated 14 patients in this manner,</p>
			<p begin="00:03:16.930" end="00:03:19.070" style="1">calling it prophylactic radiation.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:19.250" end="00:03:22.080" style="1">Now these two groups are the ones I wish to compare then </p>
			<p begin="00:03:22.080" end="00:03:24.220" style="1">and give you the basis for this report.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:24.520" end="00:03:27.340" style="1">I hate to talk down my own stuff.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:27.350" end="00:03:29.920" style="1">But uh when you think about a series of </p>
			<p begin="00:03:29.920" end="00:03:32.860" style="1">33 patients followed for a couple of years that </p>
			<p begin="00:03:32.860" end="00:03:34.120" style="1">are done in a retrospective,</p>
			<p begin="00:03:34.120" end="00:03:35.230" style="1">uncontrolled,</p>
			<p begin="00:03:35.240" end="00:03:36.970" style="1">non randomized manner.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:36.980" end="00:03:39.670" style="1">I&apos;m not sure you can answer any questions at all uh </p>
			<p begin="00:03:39.680" end="00:03:42.290" style="1">from this kind of information but I think </p>
			<p begin="00:03:42.290" end="00:03:44.820" style="1">the uh I&apos;ll present it and you can decide </p>
			<p begin="00:03:45.820" end="00:03:46.750" style="1">first slide please.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:48.160" end="00:03:49.210" style="1">I think we needed.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:49.220" end="00:03:52.220" style="1">You need to approach the problem by asking a series </p>
			<p begin="00:03:52.220" end="00:03:55.130" style="1">of questions and the questions are quickly.</p>
			<p begin="00:03:55.130" end="00:03:57.480" style="1">Does it prevent acute alla graft rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:03:57.490" end="00:03:59.730" style="1">or does it affect the severity?</p>
			<p begin="00:03:59.740" end="00:04:02.640" style="1">Will it decrease the incidence or severity of </p>
			<p begin="00:04:02.640" end="00:04:04.360" style="1">later rejection episodes?</p>
			<p begin="00:04:04.370" end="00:04:07.100" style="1">Now we&apos;re talking about immediate prophylactic </p>
			<p begin="00:04:07.110" end="00:04:09.290" style="1">post transplantation or radiation therapy.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:09.300" end="00:04:12.220" style="1">Does it alter the long term success rate?</p>
			<p begin="00:04:12.560" end="00:04:14.870" style="1">Uh Does it lower the pulse requirement.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:14.880" end="00:04:17.400" style="1">Does it decrease immuno suppression requirements?</p>
			<p begin="00:04:17.410" end="00:04:20.100" style="1">Or does it change long term mortality or the </p>
			<p begin="00:04:20.100" end="00:04:22.990" style="1">incidence of severe infection presumably from </p>
			<p begin="00:04:22.990" end="00:04:23.990" style="1">immuno suppression?</p>
			<p begin="00:04:25.170" end="00:04:27.660" style="1">Well then to try to answer these questions,</p>
			<p begin="00:04:27.660" end="00:04:29.830" style="1">then we have these two groups of patients,</p>
			<p begin="00:04:29.840" end="00:04:32.350" style="1">uh one of which received prophylactic </p>
			<p begin="00:04:32.360" end="00:04:32.960" style="1">radiation,</p>
			<p begin="00:04:32.960" end="00:04:33.890" style="1">14 patients,</p>
			<p begin="00:04:33.890" end="00:04:36.830" style="1">the other of which received comprised all the </p>
			<p begin="00:04:36.840" end="00:04:38.920" style="1">remaining patients who are not H.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:38.920" end="00:04:39.060" style="1">L.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:39.060" end="00:04:39.150" style="1">A.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:39.150" end="00:04:39.730" style="1">Identical.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:39.740" end="00:04:40.560" style="1">So in other words,</p>
			<p begin="00:04:40.560" end="00:04:43.460" style="1">we have 33 patients who are half low identical.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:43.470" end="00:04:45.560" style="1">Either parent child or sibling </p>
			<p begin="00:04:45.570" end="00:04:46.540" style="1">transplants.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:46.550" end="00:04:47.870" style="1">All living related again.</p>
			<p begin="00:04:48.060" end="00:04:50.970" style="1">Uh and of these uh situations </p>
			<p begin="00:04:50.970" end="00:04:53.690" style="1">then 14 obviously of the </p>
			<p begin="00:04:53.700" end="00:04:56.560" style="1">received immediate post transplant radiation,</p>
			<p begin="00:04:56.570" end="00:04:59.420" style="1">only 12 of 19 required therapeutic radiation </p>
			<p begin="00:04:59.420" end="00:04:59.890" style="1">over?</p>
			<p begin="00:04:59.900" end="00:05:01.980" style="1">Uh later on </p>
			<p begin="00:05:03.120" end="00:05:03.990" style="1">I&apos;m sorry,</p>
			<p begin="00:05:04.000" end="00:05:04.710" style="1">scratch that,</p>
			<p begin="00:05:04.720" end="00:05:05.120" style="1">please.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:05.130" end="00:05:07.930" style="1">Uh That has nothing to do with what I&apos;m saying.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:07.940" end="00:05:10.470" style="1">What I&apos;m trying to do here is compare the </p>
			<p begin="00:05:10.470" end="00:05:13.120" style="1">database and I&apos;m saying that parent </p>
			<p begin="00:05:13.120" end="00:05:16.000" style="1">child ratio and a sibling ratio is essentially the </p>
			<p begin="00:05:16.000" end="00:05:17.700" style="1">same in these two groups.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:17.710" end="00:05:20.660" style="1">Trying to offer you the thesis that these groups do.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:20.660" end="00:05:23.100" style="1">In fact compare and that the data I&apos;m presenting is </p>
			<p begin="00:05:23.100" end="00:05:23.670" style="1">valid.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:24.030" end="00:05:26.030" style="1">The ages are similar as you see.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:26.040" end="00:05:28.410" style="1">Uh this is percent reactive antibody.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:28.420" end="00:05:31.390" style="1">Uh and there&apos;s not significant incidents </p>
			<p begin="00:05:31.390" end="00:05:33.340" style="1">in either series of these patients.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:33.350" end="00:05:36.350" style="1">The weeks on dialysis for people who believe that that </p>
			<p begin="00:05:36.360" end="00:05:39.060" style="1">affects transplant success are greater in the </p>
			<p begin="00:05:39.060" end="00:05:40.050" style="1">prophylactic group,</p>
			<p begin="00:05:40.060" end="00:05:41.330" style="1">something around a year,</p>
			<p begin="00:05:41.340" end="00:05:43.980" style="1">half year in the therapeutic radiation group,</p>
			<p begin="00:05:44.270" end="00:05:45.560" style="1">sex differentiation.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:45.570" end="00:05:46.490" style="1">A little difference.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:46.500" end="00:05:48.360" style="1">I don&apos;t know exactly what that means.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:48.370" end="00:05:49.180" style="1">If anything.</p>
			<p begin="00:05:49.180" end="00:05:51.590" style="1">There was as I remember one scattered reports </p>
			<p begin="00:05:51.600" end="00:05:54.500" style="1">that uh transplantation across sex lines </p>
			<p begin="00:05:54.500" end="00:05:57.330" style="1">was a little less uh </p>
			<p begin="00:05:57.340" end="00:05:59.760" style="1">was Had a higher incidence </p>
			<p begin="00:05:59.760" end="00:06:02.020" style="1">of graft non six.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:03.480" end="00:06:06.370" style="1">It wasn&apos;t as successful if you transplanted across sex lines </p>
			<p begin="00:06:06.370" end="00:06:08.800" style="1">as uh otherwise I don&apos;t know that that&apos;s ever been </p>
			<p begin="00:06:08.800" end="00:06:11.180" style="1">documented that I just tossed it in </p>
			<p begin="00:06:11.190" end="00:06:12.040" style="1">consideration.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:12.240" end="00:06:13.390" style="1">One thing that&apos;s important.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:13.390" end="00:06:15.580" style="1">The primary diseases are similar in both groups.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:15.580" end="00:06:18.220" style="1">So that recurrent disease should not be a consideration.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:19.130" end="00:06:19.750" style="1">And as I said,</p>
			<p begin="00:06:19.750" end="00:06:22.730" style="1">all donor recipient pairs are happy so identical </p>
			<p begin="00:06:22.730" end="00:06:23.480" style="1">living related.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:25.070" end="00:06:25.530" style="1">Okay,</p>
			<p begin="00:06:25.530" end="00:06:26.650" style="1">the first question then is,</p>
			<p begin="00:06:26.650" end="00:06:29.590" style="1">does prophylactic postoperative radiation </p>
			<p begin="00:06:29.600" end="00:06:31.580" style="1">prevent acute graft rejection.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:32.720" end="00:06:35.290" style="1">We define this as occurring within 21 </p>
			<p begin="00:06:35.290" end="00:06:35.890" style="1">days.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:35.900" end="00:06:38.550" style="1">Uh for arbitrary reasons.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:38.580" end="00:06:39.540" style="1">And as you see,</p>
			<p begin="00:06:39.540" end="00:06:42.540" style="1">only half the patients who received prophylactic therapy </p>
			<p begin="00:06:42.540" end="00:06:43.100" style="1">rejected.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:43.100" end="00:06:45.720" style="1">Whereas uh something nearer two thirds of the </p>
			<p begin="00:06:45.720" end="00:06:47.710" style="1">patients had acute rejection episodes </p>
			<p begin="00:06:47.720" end="00:06:50.400" style="1">uh in the early post transplant </p>
			<p begin="00:06:50.410" end="00:06:50.920" style="1">period.</p>
			<p begin="00:06:52.020" end="00:06:52.800" style="1">Now,</p>
			<p begin="00:06:52.870" end="00:06:53.760" style="1">the interesting thing,</p>
			<p begin="00:06:53.760" end="00:06:56.650" style="1">I think that modifies my early enthusiasm </p>
			<p begin="00:06:56.650" end="00:06:58.310" style="1">for the treatment then was that </p>
			<p begin="00:06:58.310" end="00:07:01.210" style="1">44 of the seven patients who did </p>
			<p begin="00:07:01.210" end="00:07:03.840" style="1">not have acute rejection in this group </p>
			<p begin="00:07:03.850" end="00:07:06.770" style="1">subsequently had rejection episodes and have </p>
			<p begin="00:07:06.770" end="00:07:09.500" style="1">gone on to something that may resemble </p>
			<p begin="00:07:09.500" end="00:07:10.630" style="1">chronic rejection.</p>
			<p begin="00:07:10.640" end="00:07:12.420" style="1">And I&apos;ll show you that data later.</p>
			<p begin="00:07:12.420" end="00:07:14.780" style="1">Whereas none of these seven </p>
			<p begin="00:07:14.780" end="00:07:17.660" style="1">patients who had no acute rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:07:17.660" end="00:07:20.500" style="1">had chronic rejection or a significant rejection later </p>
			<p begin="00:07:20.500" end="00:07:21.020" style="1">on.</p>
			<p begin="00:07:22.300" end="00:07:25.160" style="1">So the total number of patients that have had rejection at </p>
			<p begin="00:07:25.160" end="00:07:27.860" style="1">some point uh after </p>
			<p begin="00:07:27.860" end="00:07:30.860" style="1">transplantation is uh perhaps a little higher in the </p>
			<p begin="00:07:30.860" end="00:07:33.040" style="1">prophylactic radiation group than the other.</p>
			<p begin="00:07:36.150" end="00:07:37.010" style="1">The next question is,</p>
			<p begin="00:07:37.010" end="00:07:39.560" style="1">does prophylactic radiation therapy delay the </p>
			<p begin="00:07:39.560" end="00:07:42.350" style="1">onset of acute rejection or affected severity?</p>
			<p begin="00:07:43.740" end="00:07:45.950" style="1">The answer is it does not delay it.</p>
			<p begin="00:07:45.960" end="00:07:48.800" style="1">The means are basically the same with similar ranges </p>
			<p begin="00:07:48.870" end="00:07:51.720" style="1">and the answer about affecting its severity will go </p>
			<p begin="00:07:51.720" end="00:07:54.440" style="1">to in a second while uh after we&apos;ve talked </p>
			<p begin="00:07:54.440" end="00:07:57.290" style="1">about how you engage whether rejection episode is </p>
			<p begin="00:07:57.290" end="00:07:58.450" style="1">severe or not,</p>
			<p begin="00:07:58.460" end="00:08:01.040" style="1">I don&apos;t know that you can but this </p>
			<p begin="00:08:01.040" end="00:08:03.830" style="1">maybe then the closest thing to </p>
			<p begin="00:08:03.830" end="00:08:04.690" style="1">doing that.</p>
			<p begin="00:08:04.700" end="00:08:07.400" style="1">It&apos;s an index proposed by Mayor and the Green </p>
			<p begin="00:08:07.400" end="00:08:09.500" style="1">Journal American Journal of Medicine.</p>
			<p begin="00:08:09.510" end="00:08:11.700" style="1">Uh this past spring </p>
			<p begin="00:08:11.710" end="00:08:14.550" style="1">1970 for and this </p>
			<p begin="00:08:14.560" end="00:08:17.100" style="1">index merely does these things that </p>
			<p begin="00:08:17.100" end="00:08:19.830" style="1">compares the Peka Creatinine </p>
			<p begin="00:08:19.830" end="00:08:22.640" style="1">during rejection to its previous baseline and </p>
			<p begin="00:08:22.640" end="00:08:25.030" style="1">creates that ratio and then multiplies it </p>
			<p begin="00:08:25.040" end="00:08:27.300" style="1">uh times all the below </p>
			<p begin="00:08:27.300" end="00:08:28.150" style="1">factors,</p>
			<p begin="00:08:28.160" end="00:08:30.540" style="1">which means obviously that this </p>
			<p begin="00:08:30.540" end="00:08:33.420" style="1">creatinine rises heavily weighted just as </p>
			<p begin="00:08:33.420" end="00:08:36.390" style="1">we all would wait it uh in our own sort </p>
			<p begin="00:08:36.390" end="00:08:38.030" style="1">of empirical way.</p>
			<p begin="00:08:38.430" end="00:08:41.420" style="1">But anyway the some of the other factors are the sum of the previous </p>
			<p begin="00:08:41.420" end="00:08:43.810" style="1">baseline apron and milligrams per </p>
			<p begin="00:08:43.810" end="00:08:46.590" style="1">kilogram plus the previous baseline </p>
			<p begin="00:08:46.590" end="00:08:49.590" style="1">predniSONE milligrams per kilogram plus the number of </p>
			<p begin="00:08:49.600" end="00:08:52.450" style="1">predniSONE bolus doses in milligrams per kilogram that were </p>
			<p begin="00:08:52.450" end="00:08:54.430" style="1">given over the five day period.</p>
			<p begin="00:08:54.440" end="00:08:57.220" style="1">And then you add in the new predniSONE maintenance and the new ways of </p>
			<p begin="00:08:57.660" end="00:09:00.620" style="1">maintenance and any radiation therapy </p>
			<p begin="00:09:00.630" end="00:09:02.610" style="1">uh in terms of hundreds of rads,</p>
			<p begin="00:09:02.620" end="00:09:04.290" style="1">if you use that.</p>
			<p begin="00:09:05.580" end="00:09:06.060" style="1">The thing,</p>
			<p begin="00:09:06.060" end="00:09:08.860" style="1">that&apos;s the thing that is not taken into </p>
			<p begin="00:09:08.860" end="00:09:11.580" style="1">account by this uh </p>
			<p begin="00:09:11.590" end="00:09:14.210" style="1">indexes the duration of the rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:09:14.210" end="00:09:17.090" style="1">episode which I think has been pointed out and </p>
			<p begin="00:09:17.090" end="00:09:19.740" style="1">again by dr human colleagues uh in the </p>
			<p begin="00:09:19.740" end="00:09:22.690" style="1">sixties as being one of the critical factors in </p>
			<p begin="00:09:22.690" end="00:09:25.050" style="1">determining long term graph success in their </p>
			<p begin="00:09:25.050" end="00:09:27.950" style="1">setting in their patients with their treatment at that time in </p>
			<p begin="00:09:27.950" end="00:09:28.280" style="1">any way.</p>
			<p begin="00:09:28.290" end="00:09:31.200" style="1">But that fact is not considered and uh </p>
			<p begin="00:09:31.210" end="00:09:33.870" style="1">therefore I&apos;m not sure you know if it&apos;s totally valid.</p>
			<p begin="00:09:33.870" end="00:09:36.840" style="1">But it when I looked at all our rejection episodes,</p>
			<p begin="00:09:36.840" end="00:09:39.650" style="1">it turns out that it fits very nicely with my clinical </p>
			<p begin="00:09:39.650" end="00:09:42.560" style="1">memory of and the flow sheet data that&apos;s going on at the </p>
			<p begin="00:09:42.570" end="00:09:43.200" style="1">time.</p>
			<p begin="00:09:43.210" end="00:09:45.890" style="1">So anyway grading that and we&apos;ll go back to the </p>
			<p begin="00:09:45.890" end="00:09:48.230" style="1">previous slide and say does it affect its </p>
			<p begin="00:09:48.230" end="00:09:50.610" style="1">severity and the answer may be </p>
			<p begin="00:09:50.620" end="00:09:52.160" style="1">yes it does.</p>
			<p begin="00:09:52.170" end="00:09:55.120" style="1">Maybe it does now severity of course </p>
			<p begin="00:09:55.130" end="00:09:57.750" style="1">increases as the number increases and </p>
			<p begin="00:09:57.750" end="00:10:00.260" style="1">a a pretty good rejection episode is about </p>
			<p begin="00:10:00.320" end="00:10:00.810" style="1">100.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:00.820" end="00:10:03.480" style="1">Uh So the mean plus or minus the standard </p>
			<p begin="00:10:03.490" end="00:10:06.010" style="1">uh air is </p>
			<p begin="00:10:06.020" end="00:10:09.000" style="1">79 the prophylactic group and </p>
			<p begin="00:10:09.030" end="00:10:11.460" style="1">100 and 37 in the radiated group.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:11.470" end="00:10:14.090" style="1">With a fairly wide scatter of results.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:14.400" end="00:10:17.010" style="1">Now I&apos;ll present this afternoon some data </p>
			<p begin="00:10:17.010" end="00:10:19.500" style="1">on adverse effects of contrast media.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:19.550" end="00:10:22.390" style="1">And I would say that this value here is probably skewed </p>
			<p begin="00:10:22.390" end="00:10:25.180" style="1">upwards by uh I think some </p>
			<p begin="00:10:25.180" end="00:10:27.910" style="1">intermixed contrast media toxicity with acute </p>
			<p begin="00:10:27.910" end="00:10:30.850" style="1">rejection because we simply haven&apos;t seen rejections of this </p>
			<p begin="00:10:30.850" end="00:10:33.060" style="1">magnitude since we stopped doing uh </p>
			<p begin="00:10:34.220" end="00:10:35.220" style="1">contrast studies.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:37.860" end="00:10:40.830" style="1">So then the next question I think logically follows.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:40.830" end="00:10:43.500" style="1">Does it alter the incidents or affect the severity of </p>
			<p begin="00:10:43.500" end="00:10:45.210" style="1">subsequent rejection episodes?</p>
			<p begin="00:10:45.230" end="00:10:48.140" style="1">I think we can reasonably say it hasn&apos;t done much for the first </p>
			<p begin="00:10:48.140" end="00:10:48.410" style="1">one.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:48.420" end="00:10:51.350" style="1">So the number of patients with acute rejections in that </p>
			<p begin="00:10:51.350" end="00:10:53.290" style="1">will be considered are obviously seven.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:53.290" end="00:10:55.280" style="1">From these data from the previous slide.</p>
			<p begin="00:10:55.610" end="00:10:58.430" style="1">And a number of patients of that group who have had </p>
			<p begin="00:10:58.430" end="00:11:01.030" style="1">subsequent rejection episodes are three quarters of </p>
			<p begin="00:11:01.030" end="00:11:03.150" style="1">the patients in the </p>
			<p begin="00:11:04.300" end="00:11:07.180" style="1">therapeutic group uh </p>
			<p begin="00:11:07.190" end="00:11:09.310" style="1">and all the patients in the </p>
			<p begin="00:11:09.320" end="00:11:10.570" style="1">uh </p>
			<p begin="00:11:11.620" end="00:11:12.850" style="1">prophylactic group.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:12.860" end="00:11:15.760" style="1">But this this asterisk indicates a finding on the bottom which you&apos;ve </p>
			<p begin="00:11:15.760" end="00:11:17.060" style="1">probably already noticed.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:17.070" end="00:11:19.730" style="1">And it says that four of these patients didn&apos;t </p>
			<p begin="00:11:19.740" end="00:11:21.990" style="1">actually have later rejection episodes.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:22.000" end="00:11:24.950" style="1">But for patients who didn&apos;t have acute rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:11:24.950" end="00:11:26.430" style="1">episodes had later once.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:26.430" end="00:11:29.190" style="1">So we still wind up with seven as you remember from the </p>
			<p begin="00:11:29.190" end="00:11:31.920" style="1">earlier slide they undergo about the same number of </p>
			<p begin="00:11:31.920" end="00:11:33.070" style="1">rejection episodes.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:33.080" end="00:11:34.450" style="1">Uh 12.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:34.450" end="00:11:37.430" style="1">And it figures out to be about 1.7 per each patient.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:37.430" end="00:11:39.130" style="1">Now this is in a three month period,</p>
			<p begin="00:11:39.140" end="00:11:40.140" style="1">post transplantation.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:40.150" end="00:11:43.120" style="1">Uh again an arbitrary figure </p>
			<p begin="00:11:43.120" end="00:11:45.870" style="1">that may be short and I think we&apos;ll look at the data again </p>
			<p begin="00:11:45.870" end="00:11:48.810" style="1">later on over a longer time and see if this kind </p>
			<p begin="00:11:48.810" end="00:11:49.760" style="1">of thing holds up.</p>
			<p begin="00:11:49.770" end="00:11:52.360" style="1">But it&apos;s about 1.7 um </p>
			<p begin="00:11:52.440" end="00:11:55.230" style="1">rejection episodes per patient experiencing it </p>
			<p begin="00:11:55.440" end="00:11:58.390" style="1">in each group time of occurrence is scattered </p>
			<p begin="00:11:58.390" end="00:11:59.990" style="1">over the period of observation.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:00.110" end="00:12:03.040" style="1">The rejection severity is almost exactly the same </p>
			<p begin="00:12:03.040" end="00:12:05.840" style="1">with more skewing towards the upper end in the </p>
			<p begin="00:12:05.850" end="00:12:07.290" style="1">prophylactic group.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:07.300" end="00:12:07.720" style="1">Again,</p>
			<p begin="00:12:07.720" end="00:12:10.540" style="1">hard to say that it&apos;s done anything for us now.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:10.540" end="00:12:13.360" style="1">Does prophylactic radiation therapy improve overall </p>
			<p begin="00:12:13.360" end="00:12:15.580" style="1">graph success or decrease mortality?</p>
			<p begin="00:12:17.080" end="00:12:19.930" style="1">I think here the problem is uh </p>
			<p begin="00:12:19.940" end="00:12:21.700" style="1">it&apos;s hard to assess again.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:21.710" end="00:12:24.500" style="1">Here we have 12 or 14 who are still </p>
			<p begin="00:12:24.500" end="00:12:25.000" style="1">functioning,</p>
			<p begin="00:12:25.000" end="00:12:27.830" style="1">but the period of time is only 3 to 30 </p>
			<p begin="00:12:27.830" end="00:12:28.380" style="1">months.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:28.390" end="00:12:30.990" style="1">Uh with the mean time of around a </p>
			<p begin="00:12:30.990" end="00:12:33.680" style="1">year here we have 14 of 19 </p>
			<p begin="00:12:33.680" end="00:12:34.150" style="1">functioning,</p>
			<p begin="00:12:34.150" end="00:12:37.000" style="1">suggesting that prophylactic therapy in fact who helped.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:37.010" end="00:12:39.400" style="1">But the period of observation is considerably longer,</p>
			<p begin="00:12:39.410" end="00:12:42.070" style="1">with the meantime being on the order of 30 months.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:42.080" end="00:12:44.960" style="1">So I think that&apos;s apples and oranges </p>
			<p begin="00:12:44.960" end="00:12:47.740" style="1">and hard to say chronic </p>
			<p begin="00:12:47.740" end="00:12:50.100" style="1">rejection about the same in both groups.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:50.110" end="00:12:51.860" style="1">Uh But in fact,</p>
			<p begin="00:12:51.890" end="00:12:53.410" style="1">this number is a little smaller.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:53.410" end="00:12:54.550" style="1">And this number is a little bigger,</p>
			<p begin="00:12:54.550" end="00:12:57.010" style="1">Most likely deaths from sepsis.</p>
			<p begin="00:12:57.020" end="00:12:59.890" style="1">Uh about the same serious infection.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:00.120" end="00:13:01.280" style="1">About the same.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:01.280" end="00:13:02.350" style="1">This number should be three,</p>
			<p begin="00:13:02.350" end="00:13:03.130" style="1">not four.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:03.140" end="00:13:05.900" style="1">Uh so in that setting it </p>
			<p begin="00:13:05.910" end="00:13:07.990" style="1">looks like about the same thing and again,</p>
			<p begin="00:13:07.990" end="00:13:10.980" style="1">but the numbers are all small and all we need is one or two on either </p>
			<p begin="00:13:10.980" end="00:13:12.520" style="1">side and it means nothing.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:13.730" end="00:13:16.620" style="1">But it doesn&apos;t seem to have had any real </p>
			<p begin="00:13:16.630" end="00:13:19.340" style="1">uh great </p>
			<p begin="00:13:19.340" end="00:13:19.800" style="1">effect.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:19.800" end="00:13:22.420" style="1">I guess we could say now quickly onto the </p>
			<p begin="00:13:22.420" end="00:13:23.370" style="1">remainder of things.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:23.370" end="00:13:25.580" style="1">Does it decrease steroid requirements?</p>
			<p begin="00:13:25.730" end="00:13:28.710" style="1">I&apos;m almost ashamed to show this slide after listening to dr turK </p>
			<p begin="00:13:28.710" end="00:13:31.360" style="1">a program for steroid </p>
			<p begin="00:13:31.370" end="00:13:33.220" style="1">therapy and the post transplant period.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:33.760" end="00:13:36.220" style="1">Um I don&apos;t know why we use so much.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:36.230" end="00:13:39.220" style="1">All I can say is that I guess that&apos;s why we always have.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:39.230" end="00:13:40.430" style="1">We just always have.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:40.430" end="00:13:43.360" style="1">And uh that&apos;s the way the program started and when I came into </p>
			<p begin="00:13:43.360" end="00:13:46.000" style="1">it and the succeeding succeeding people that have come,</p>
			<p begin="00:13:46.010" end="00:13:48.780" style="1">we just sort of continued the early uh </p>
			<p begin="00:13:48.790" end="00:13:50.310" style="1">early program regimens.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:50.700" end="00:13:51.400" style="1">But anyway,</p>
			<p begin="00:13:51.400" end="00:13:53.490" style="1">let&apos;s look at it and see what we&apos;re saying.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:53.500" end="00:13:56.470" style="1">We&apos;re saying the number of steroid pulse is required in this </p>
			<p begin="00:13:56.470" end="00:13:57.990" style="1">three month period that we&apos;re observing them.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:58.250" end="00:13:59.830" style="1">It&apos;s just about exactly the same.</p>
			<p begin="00:13:59.990" end="00:14:01.490" style="1">Eight plus or minus two.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:01.490" end="00:14:04.290" style="1">This is a one standard error of the main 9.5 </p>
			<p begin="00:14:04.290" end="00:14:05.960" style="1">plus or minus 1.4.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:07.010" end="00:14:08.270" style="1">The mean steroid dose,</p>
			<p begin="00:14:08.270" end="00:14:09.550" style="1">the mean federal dose,</p>
			<p begin="00:14:09.550" end="00:14:11.600" style="1">this is the oral dose that does not count.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:12.420" end="00:14:15.100" style="1">It is not counting those pulse therapies as a whopping </p>
			<p begin="00:14:15.110" end="00:14:17.870" style="1">2.4 mg per kilogram per </p>
			<p begin="00:14:17.870" end="00:14:19.600" style="1">day at one month.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:19.830" end="00:14:21.620" style="1">The same in both groups.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:24.590" end="00:14:24.890" style="1">No,</p>
			<p begin="00:14:24.890" end="00:14:25.850" style="1">I beg your pardon.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:26.710" end="00:14:27.090" style="1">Yes,</p>
			<p begin="00:14:27.100" end="00:14:28.480" style="1">that&apos;s that&apos;s correct.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:28.490" end="00:14:29.810" style="1">But I didn&apos;t say it quite right.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:29.810" end="00:14:30.910" style="1">Let me rephrase it again.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:30.910" end="00:14:33.820" style="1">The mean medical dose administered over the period of one </p>
			<p begin="00:14:33.820" end="00:14:34.370" style="1">month.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:34.420" end="00:14:37.280" style="1">This is all the medal they got orally in the first month </p>
			<p begin="00:14:37.280" end="00:14:38.330" style="1">of time.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:38.610" end="00:14:41.440" style="1">And that&apos;s what this average comes out to be about 2.5 mg per </p>
			<p begin="00:14:41.440" end="00:14:43.740" style="1">kilogram at the 30 day mark.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:43.750" end="00:14:46.600" style="1">Uh This number should be 78 that&apos;s the </p>
			<p begin="00:14:46.610" end="00:14:49.460" style="1">oral dose each patient was on in the mean </p>
			<p begin="00:14:49.460" end="00:14:50.010" style="1">oral dose.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:50.010" end="00:14:52.890" style="1">So that&apos;s roughly 80 mg per </p>
			<p begin="00:14:52.890" end="00:14:55.750" style="1">patient per day at </p>
			<p begin="00:14:55.750" end="00:14:57.170" style="1">one month at 30 days.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:57.170" end="00:14:59.900" style="1">Post transplant at three months.</p>
			<p begin="00:14:59.910" end="00:15:01.610" style="1">Uh Typographical error.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:01.620" end="00:15:02.160" style="1">Three months.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:02.160" end="00:15:03.330" style="1">Post transplant.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:03.370" end="00:15:06.080" style="1">The mean oral dose is </p>
			<p begin="00:15:06.090" end="00:15:07.450" style="1">34 mg here.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:07.450" end="00:15:10.280" style="1">32 mg there at 12 months.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:10.300" end="00:15:12.990" style="1">The mean daily oral dose is 15 </p>
			<p begin="00:15:12.990" end="00:15:14.350" style="1">mg here,</p>
			<p begin="00:15:14.360" end="00:15:16.070" style="1">18 mg there.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:16.660" end="00:15:19.480" style="1">If we look at the number we&apos;ve converted to alternate day therapy </p>
			<p begin="00:15:19.490" end="00:15:21.860" style="1">who are eligible for consideration.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:21.960" end="00:15:24.070" style="1">Having reached that period,</p>
			<p begin="00:15:24.080" end="00:15:27.050" style="1">none of the patients treated with prophylactic radiation </p>
			<p begin="00:15:27.060" end="00:15:30.040" style="1">have been converted all today steroids at three months.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:30.040" end="00:15:32.780" style="1">Whereas uh not quite half those </p>
			<p begin="00:15:32.780" end="00:15:33.990" style="1">treated therapeutically,</p>
			<p begin="00:15:34.000" end="00:15:36.110" style="1">were able to be on alternate day therapy at that </p>
			<p begin="00:15:36.120" end="00:15:38.160" style="1">time at 12 months.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:39.060" end="00:15:41.790" style="1">Uh three of five patients reaching that period of </p>
			<p begin="00:15:41.790" end="00:15:42.080" style="1">time.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:42.080" end="00:15:44.590" style="1">We received prophylactic radiation or on alternate day </p>
			<p begin="00:15:44.590" end="00:15:47.480" style="1">therapy about the same percentage as those who were treated </p>
			<p begin="00:15:47.480" end="00:15:48.150" style="1">therapeutically.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:48.160" end="00:15:49.950" style="1">So in the long haul it looks as the,</p>
			<p begin="00:15:49.960" end="00:15:51.110" style="1">uh,</p>
			<p begin="00:15:51.120" end="00:15:53.810" style="1">the number on all day </p>
			<p begin="00:15:53.810" end="00:15:56.120" style="1">therapy may sort out to be about the same.</p>
			<p begin="00:15:58.470" end="00:16:01.430" style="1">I think another question obviously is does it have any effect </p>
			<p begin="00:16:01.430" end="00:16:03.790" style="1">on kidney function at any point in time?</p>
			<p begin="00:16:03.830" end="00:16:06.300" style="1">And the answer is it doesn&apos;t seem to,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:06.310" end="00:16:06.690" style="1">uh,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:06.700" end="00:16:09.450" style="1">I doubt that although statistical manipulations have not </p>
			<p begin="00:16:09.450" end="00:16:11.050" style="1">been applied to this data,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:11.050" end="00:16:13.880" style="1">I think looking at it is enough to say that there probably </p>
			<p begin="00:16:13.880" end="00:16:16.880" style="1">isn&apos;t any consistent significant difference at any point </p>
			<p begin="00:16:16.880" end="00:16:19.430" style="1">in time after transplant and either of these groups,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:19.440" end="00:16:20.590" style="1">uh,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:20.600" end="00:16:23.600" style="1">which have undergone the same number of rejection episodes of </p>
			<p begin="00:16:23.600" end="00:16:25.110" style="1">the same kinds of severity.</p>
			<p begin="00:16:27.150" end="00:16:27.890" style="1">Furthermore,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:27.900" end="00:16:28.360" style="1">what,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:28.370" end="00:16:31.340" style="1">what&apos;s the story on the number of rats we&apos;ve delivered to </p>
			<p begin="00:16:31.340" end="00:16:32.040" style="1">these people.</p>
			<p begin="00:16:32.040" end="00:16:34.210" style="1">And have we perhaps have we done any harm?</p>
			<p begin="00:16:35.290" end="00:16:38.100" style="1">I don&apos;t think we can answer the question whether we&apos;ve done any </p>
			<p begin="00:16:38.110" end="00:16:39.570" style="1">harm or not.</p>
			<p begin="00:16:39.580" end="00:16:40.060" style="1">Uh,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:40.070" end="00:16:41.850" style="1">there&apos;s some errors on this slide as well.</p>
			<p begin="00:16:41.860" end="00:16:42.910" style="1">Uh,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:42.920" end="00:16:45.320" style="1">but what I&apos;d like to just show you in a period </p>
			<p begin="00:16:45.320" end="00:16:48.290" style="1">of when we should consider how much money we&apos;re spending </p>
			<p begin="00:16:48.290" end="00:16:51.220" style="1">for various and sundry things and and whether treatments of certain </p>
			<p begin="00:16:51.220" end="00:16:52.280" style="1">kinds are necessary.</p>
			<p begin="00:16:52.390" end="00:16:54.200" style="1">This probably is appropriate as well.</p>
			<p begin="00:16:55.010" end="00:16:57.660" style="1">In the group who received prophylactic radiation </p>
			<p begin="00:16:57.660" end="00:16:58.020" style="1">therapy,</p>
			<p begin="00:16:58.020" end="00:17:00.720" style="1">14 of them received nearly 14,000 </p>
			<p begin="00:17:00.720" end="00:17:01.240" style="1">rads.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:01.270" end="00:17:02.720" style="1">This is the mean dose.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:03.290" end="00:17:06.150" style="1">But if we subtract the amount we administered </p>
			<p begin="00:17:06.150" end="00:17:07.240" style="1">prophylactically.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:07.250" end="00:17:08.040" style="1">And then say,</p>
			<p begin="00:17:08.040" end="00:17:08.300" style="1">well,</p>
			<p begin="00:17:08.300" end="00:17:10.450" style="1">how much did you give therapeutically,</p>
			<p begin="00:17:10.500" end="00:17:12.970" style="1">then it turns out to be about 5000 rads.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:12.970" end="00:17:15.580" style="1">And if we divided by the number of patients we administered it to,</p>
			<p begin="00:17:15.580" end="00:17:18.070" style="1">we come up with a mean dose of about 600 rads.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:18.080" end="00:17:20.750" style="1">Or a treatment for one or 1.5 good </p>
			<p begin="00:17:20.750" end="00:17:21.920" style="1">rejection episodes.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:21.950" end="00:17:23.250" style="1">This should be 12.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:23.250" end="00:17:25.520" style="1">Obviously when that&apos;s divided in the 7800,</p>
			<p begin="00:17:25.520" end="00:17:26.470" style="1">it comes out 6 </p>
			<p begin="00:17:27.100" end="00:17:28.650" style="1">650.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:28.870" end="00:17:31.580" style="1">And so these numbers are very much the same.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:35.520" end="00:17:38.280" style="1">In essence suggests that we&apos;ve wasted 8000 r </p>
			<p begin="00:17:40.270" end="00:17:41.800" style="1">this slide is very busy.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:41.800" end="00:17:44.780" style="1">All I was trying to show from this uh is whether </p>
			<p begin="00:17:44.780" end="00:17:47.710" style="1">or not we were adversely affect adversely affecting </p>
			<p begin="00:17:47.710" end="00:17:50.520" style="1">the white count at any point in time in the early </p>
			<p begin="00:17:50.520" end="00:17:51.800" style="1">post transplant period.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:51.800" end="00:17:54.650" style="1">Following therapeutic or following prophylactic </p>
			<p begin="00:17:54.660" end="00:17:55.770" style="1">radiation therapy.</p>
			<p begin="00:17:55.780" end="00:17:58.080" style="1">Since our Sarandos is </p>
			<p begin="00:17:58.090" end="00:18:01.040" style="1">based on the peripheral white count </p>
			<p begin="00:18:01.050" end="00:18:03.770" style="1">if it&apos;s depressed artificially by some other means </p>
			<p begin="00:18:03.780" end="00:18:06.230" style="1">it might conceivably adversely </p>
			<p begin="00:18:06.230" end="00:18:08.590" style="1">affect uh </p>
			<p begin="00:18:09.050" end="00:18:11.500" style="1">long term function If you believe </p>
			<p begin="00:18:11.500" end="00:18:14.230" style="1">that low in urine doses or noam Yuran </p>
			<p begin="00:18:14.230" end="00:18:16.740" style="1">doses predisposed to chronic graft rejection.</p>
			<p begin="00:18:17.100" end="00:18:18.860" style="1">Suffice it to say from all of this,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:18.860" end="00:18:21.470" style="1">the Mun doses are fantastically large.</p>
			<p begin="00:18:21.470" end="00:18:21.760" style="1">Again,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:21.760" end="00:18:24.570" style="1">compared to dr turk a program in </p>
			<p begin="00:18:24.570" end="00:18:25.490" style="1">both series,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:25.500" end="00:18:28.380" style="1">there is some tendency towards Luca pena at four </p>
			<p begin="00:18:28.380" end="00:18:28.710" style="1">weeks.</p>
			<p begin="00:18:28.710" end="00:18:31.380" style="1">Unfortunately just didn&apos;t go any further than that with a data </p>
			<p begin="00:18:31.380" end="00:18:31.910" style="1">collection.</p>
			<p begin="00:18:31.920" end="00:18:33.610" style="1">Uh But on the other hand,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:33.610" end="00:18:36.500" style="1">these patients have received a slightly larger dose of m Iran </p>
			<p begin="00:18:36.690" end="00:18:38.200" style="1">in the preceding week or two,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:39.070" end="00:18:41.460" style="1">I don&apos;t know how that&apos;s going to sort out </p>
			<p begin="00:18:42.210" end="00:18:44.840" style="1">later on the three months and one </p>
			<p begin="00:18:44.840" end="00:18:47.300" style="1">year for patients who have reached those </p>
			<p begin="00:18:47.300" end="00:18:48.040" style="1">points,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:48.600" end="00:18:50.640" style="1">the M Iran doses are basically the same.</p>
			<p begin="00:18:53.540" end="00:18:55.840" style="1">So I think in conclusion it&apos;s </p>
			<p begin="00:18:55.850" end="00:18:58.730" style="1">uh as you see </p>
			<p begin="00:18:58.730" end="00:18:59.680" style="1">before you,</p>
			<p begin="00:18:59.690" end="00:19:02.580" style="1">it&apos;s hard to prove that radiation therapy </p>
			<p begin="00:19:02.590" end="00:19:05.580" style="1">uh used prophylactically in the early post </p>
			<p begin="00:19:05.580" end="00:19:08.360" style="1">transplant period and patients who are at </p>
			<p begin="00:19:08.360" end="00:19:10.050" style="1">risk for rejection episodes.</p>
			<p begin="00:19:10.060" end="00:19:12.580" style="1">Uh It&apos;s hard to prove that it helps that setting at </p>
			<p begin="00:19:12.580" end="00:19:13.240" style="1">all.</p>
			<p begin="00:19:13.250" end="00:19:16.090" style="1">Does it alter the severity of that first rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:19:16.090" end="00:19:16.820" style="1">episode?</p>
			<p begin="00:19:16.830" end="00:19:19.630" style="1">Perhaps does it alter </p>
			<p begin="00:19:19.630" end="00:19:22.210" style="1">the incidents or affect the severity of subsequent rejection </p>
			<p begin="00:19:22.210" end="00:19:25.210" style="1">episodes by having used this additional immunosuppressive </p>
			<p begin="00:19:25.210" end="00:19:27.150" style="1">agent in the early post transplant period?</p>
			<p begin="00:19:27.160" end="00:19:29.490" style="1">I think the answer to that is clearly no,</p>
			<p begin="00:19:29.500" end="00:19:30.790" style="1">thank you very much </p>
			<p begin="00:19:32.220" end="00:19:34.460" style="1">effectiveness of radiotherapy </p>
			<p begin="00:19:35.080" end="00:19:37.210" style="1">with jimmy a Light Lieutenant Colonel,</p>
			<p begin="00:19:37.210" end="00:19:39.110" style="1">United States Army Medical Corps,</p>
			<p begin="00:19:39.300" end="00:19:41.760" style="1">assistant Chief Organ transplant service,</p>
			<p begin="00:19:41.970" end="00:19:44.220" style="1">walter reed Army Medical Center Washington D.</p>
			<p begin="00:19:44.220" end="00:19:44.760" style="1">C.</p>
			<p begin="00:19:45.860" end="00:19:48.500" style="1">Was produced through the mobile facilities of the Television </p>
			<p begin="00:19:48.500" end="00:19:49.060" style="1">division,</p>
			<p begin="00:19:49.300" end="00:19:50.680" style="1">Academy of Health Sciences,</p>
			<p begin="00:19:50.680" end="00:19:53.060" style="1">United States Army Fort SAm Houston </p>
			<p begin="00:19:53.060" end="00:19:53.700" style="1">texas </p>
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