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			<p begin="00:00:00.199" end="00:00:04,390" style="1">Well, my first important discovery came aboutthrough a rather unusual</p>
			<p begin="00:00:04.390" end="00:00:06,600" style="1">process.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:06.600" end="00:00:12,160" style="1">More than almost everything else I have done,it was theory-driven rather than being</p>
			<p begin="00:00:12.160" end="00:00:13,160" style="1">data-driven.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:13.160" end="00:00:20,890" style="1">It was theory-driven in a sense that a postulatehad arisen out of the course of the</p>
			<p begin="00:00:20.890" end="00:00:23,450" style="1">examination of the contemporary scene.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:23.450" end="00:00:33,410" style="1">Namely, Avery, et al had shown transfer ofinheritable characteristics in a bacterium.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:33.410" end="00:00:38,980" style="1">One was deeply motivated to want to know moreabout whether there were things like genes</p>
			<p begin="00:00:38.980" end="00:00:42,130" style="1">in bacteria.</p>
			<p begin="00:00:42.130" end="00:00:50,220" style="1">The approach that speculatively aroseand how to respond to is, &quot;could one would</p>
			<p begin="00:00:50.220" end="00:00:56,270" style="1">find out if there&apos;s a possibility of geneticrecombination, of crossing between bacterial</p>
			<p begin="00:00:56.270" end="00:00:59,390" style="1">cells ?&quot; My work with Neurospora had givenme</p>
			<p begin="00:00:59.390" end="00:01:00,390" style="1">the methodological tools to facilitate gettingan answer to that question because I had been</p>
			<p begin="00:01:00.390" end="00:01:01,390" style="1">studying nutritional mutants in Neurosporaand had been selecting for nutritionally wild</p>
			<p begin="00:01:01.390" end="00:01:02,390" style="1">type,where we coined the term &quot;prototrophic&quot; revertants</p>
			<p begin="00:01:02.390" end="00:01:03,390" style="1">as part of our study, their behavior.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:03.390" end="00:01:04,390" style="1">So, bythat selective process, we knew we had a means</p>
			<p begin="00:01:04.390" end="00:01:05,390" style="1">by which a particular genotype could befished out-a needle in the haystack - and</p>
			<p begin="00:01:05.390" end="00:01:06,390" style="1">the magnet would be their ability to growon a</p>
			<p begin="00:01:06.390" end="00:01:07,390" style="1">minimal medium.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:07.390" end="00:01:08,390" style="1">So, on a theoretical basis one was able toput together a thought experiment</p>
			<p begin="00:01:08.390" end="00:01:09,390" style="1">that said, &quot;If bacteria can be crossed, andif you start out with two different nutritional</p>
			<p begin="00:01:09.390" end="00:01:15,270" style="1">mutants, and if they exchange with one another,they will form prototrophic genotypes; you</p>
			<p begin="00:01:15.270" end="00:01:21,180" style="1">will be able to select for them, and definetheir occurrence even if they happened very,</p>
			<p begin="00:01:21.180" end="00:01:24,189" style="1">veryrarely,&quot; by a rather simple procedure: plating</p>
			<p begin="00:01:24.189" end="00:01:26,369" style="1">the mixtures on minimal agar.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:26.369" end="00:01:30,889" style="1">So, there was acase where the experimental design was worked</p>
			<p begin="00:01:30.889" end="00:01:36,340" style="1">out as a theoretical postulate: &quot;Does geneticrecombination occur?</p>
			<p begin="00:01:36.340" end="00:01:39,869" style="1">Does it not occur?&quot; and that was all workedout in advance of ever</p>
			<p begin="00:01:39.869" end="00:01:41,429" style="1">doing the experiment.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:41.429" end="00:01:44,740" style="1">Well, somewhat to my surprise, it worked very,very promptly.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:44.740" end="00:01:47,770" style="1">I wasrather fearful when the first positive results</p>
			<p begin="00:01:47.770" end="00:01:48,939" style="1">came in.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:48.939" end="00:01:53,299" style="1">I was worried deeply that this was goingto be an artifact: that my hopes would be</p>
			<p begin="00:01:53.299" end="00:01:56,099" style="1">dashed; I didn&apos;t want to get too excited aboutit.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:56.099" end="00:01:57,110" style="1">Iwas scared.</p>
			<p begin="00:01:57.110" end="00:02:02,340" style="1">I knew this was a very import finding, butI didn&apos;t want to be out on a limb until</p>
			<p begin="00:02:02.340" end="00:02:03,770" style="1">I could be absolutely certain.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:03.770" end="00:02:07,240" style="1">I didn&apos;t even want to commit myself emotionallyto</p>
			<p begin="00:02:07.240" end="00:02:08,849" style="1">consequence until then.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:08.849" end="00:02:13,090" style="1">So, it was a matter of going back to grindstoneand repeating the</p>
			<p begin="00:02:13.090" end="00:02:18,319" style="1">experiment many times, doing it differentways and being sure that it was a totally</p>
			<p begin="00:02:18.319" end="00:02:22,110" style="1">reliableand reproducible result.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:22.110" end="00:02:26,560" style="1">Put in every control I could think of to besure I had controlled for</p>
			<p begin="00:02:26.560" end="00:02:27,560" style="1">possible artifacts.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:27.560" end="00:02:34,090" style="1">Happily, with bacteria, one can redo theseexperiments -- you can run one</p>
			<p begin="00:02:34.090" end="00:02:41,020" style="1">or two cycles a day on this kind of experimentationso within a few weeks it was possible to</p>
			<p begin="00:02:41.020" end="00:02:43,569" style="1">get a total validation of that.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:43.569" end="00:02:46,450" style="1">Well, all that happened almost precisely 50years ago.</p>
			<p begin="00:02:46.450" end="00:02:51,739" style="1">I arrivedin New Haven in March, 1946 and by early June</p>
			<p begin="00:02:51.739" end="00:02:55,489" style="1">had it completely taped down that crossingwas taking place.</p>
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